Wheels why one vs another?
05-29-17, 08:49 AM
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Wheels why one vs another?
I currently have these:
https://www.mybikeshop.com/products/...l-set-11-speed
They have been great over 5,000 miles and still true my only cons:
Cross wind handling and weight.
I still feel the itch to upgrade and have been looking at these:
https://www.mybikeshop.com/collectio...wheel-set-demo
https://www.mybikeshop.com/collectio...her-black-logo
Always had a thing for Zipp 404, any changes since 2014?
Lightweight Meilenstein seem to be the best of the best but still not sure they are that much better than my current Mavics or the other brands?
Background on use:
1) I weigh 200 to 215 pounds and die on uphills so weight savings is a big factor for me. (Yes the cheapest reduction in weight is body weight but that seems hard to achieve)
2) My bike is a Cervelo S5 VWS 2010.
3) I ride with a club on long rides and I am to old to race.
Please reason comments no love my xyz wheel with no rational.
My guess is that I should just stick with what I have but want to hear your thoughts.
Thank you
https://www.mybikeshop.com/products/...l-set-11-speed
They have been great over 5,000 miles and still true my only cons:
Cross wind handling and weight.
I still feel the itch to upgrade and have been looking at these:
https://www.mybikeshop.com/collectio...wheel-set-demo
https://www.mybikeshop.com/collectio...her-black-logo
Always had a thing for Zipp 404, any changes since 2014?
Lightweight Meilenstein seem to be the best of the best but still not sure they are that much better than my current Mavics or the other brands?
Background on use:
1) I weigh 200 to 215 pounds and die on uphills so weight savings is a big factor for me. (Yes the cheapest reduction in weight is body weight but that seems hard to achieve)
2) My bike is a Cervelo S5 VWS 2010.
3) I ride with a club on long rides and I am to old to race.
Please reason comments no love my xyz wheel with no rational.
My guess is that I should just stick with what I have but want to hear your thoughts.
Thank you
05-29-17, 09:02 AM
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IDK why the fascination with tall rims, fashion , I suppose, impress the guys you ride with. there is your cross wind issues.
32 spoke or 36 rear 32 front quality rims Mavic open pro, have a long track record of being satisfactory..
(Cycling news seemed agog to find the team mechanics put a 32 spoke 3 cross
Ambrosio CD type sew up wheel set on a bike they were checking over at the start of Paris -Roubaix..)
...
32 spoke or 36 rear 32 front quality rims Mavic open pro, have a long track record of being satisfactory..
(Cycling news seemed agog to find the team mechanics put a 32 spoke 3 cross
Ambrosio CD type sew up wheel set on a bike they were checking over at the start of Paris -Roubaix..)
...
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If you have a thing for Zipps, get them. They'll make you happy. Except in cross winds.
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IDK why the fascination with tall rims, fashion , I suppose, impress the guys you ride with. there is your cross wind issues.
32 spoke or 36 rear 32 front quality rims Mavic open pro, have a long track record of being satisfactory..
(Cycling news seemed agog to find the team mechanics put a 32 spoke 3 cross
Ambrosio CD type sew up wheel set on a bike they were checking over at the start of Paris -Roubaix..)
...
32 spoke or 36 rear 32 front quality rims Mavic open pro, have a long track record of being satisfactory..
(Cycling news seemed agog to find the team mechanics put a 32 spoke 3 cross
Ambrosio CD type sew up wheel set on a bike they were checking over at the start of Paris -Roubaix..)
...
I though the cross wind issue was reduced with certain brands?
05-29-17, 10:06 AM
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Budget? At 1700 grams/set and assuming you want to stick with tubular tires, it won't be hard to get significantly lighter wheels. Given that you currently have aluminum brake tracks you'll want to stick with rims known for their braking capability, i.e. not generic rims. Campagnolo Boras always seems to come up in conversations about good value wheels with excellent braking. I personally wouldn't do Lightweights at your weight given their lack of adjustment if they were to go out of true (not that I know how much that can happen with those wheels).
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. My experience says they are no better (I am not faster on them). YMMV.
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I am at a stage in life that I don't have a budget just need rational why to spend more or less.
I have heard that lightweights are not ideal for heavy weights.
How much weight savings with Zipp or Campagnolo Boras ?
Have Zipps changed since 2014?
Not in it for the bing as it is I am to slow for my fancy bike, passed by kids on steel.
I have heard that lightweights are not ideal for heavy weights.
How much weight savings with Zipp or Campagnolo Boras ?
Have Zipps changed since 2014?
Not in it for the bing as it is I am to slow for my fancy bike, passed by kids on steel.
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05-29-17, 10:44 AM
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Over 1 lb. or half a kilo according this: https://www.campagnolo.com/US/en/Whe..._bora_ultra_35
Campy says their 35mm Bora Ultra tubular wheelset weighs 1160 grams.
Campy says their 35mm Bora Ultra tubular wheelset weighs 1160 grams.
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Over 1 lb. or half a kilo according this: https://www.campagnolo.com/US/en/Whe..._bora_ultra_35
Campy says their 35mm Bora Ultra tubular wheelset weighs 1160 grams.
Campy says their 35mm Bora Ultra tubular wheelset weighs 1160 grams.
05-29-17, 11:14 AM
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I was curious about the Bora weight so I looked them up for you. Go Google and see what the various Zipp options weigh. There are a bunch of options. I have never heard great things about Zipp in terms of durability or value so I personally would never consider them. Boras seem to stand out for just those reasons so as much as I like building my own wheels I could see myself riding those wheels. If Campy and Shimano mixed isn't appealing to you go see what Shimano has to offer. Shimano tends to be conservative with their wheel offerings but they'll match your bike, brake well, and be reliable even at your weight.
05-29-17, 11:19 AM
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The ENVE are disc brake wheels and may not have a brake track.
I don't think the Firecrest have changed, Zipp has introduced two models above them the (NSW and the newer 454). So they're unlikely to be on par with Zipp's latest designs.
I don't think the Firecrest have changed, Zipp has introduced two models above them the (NSW and the newer 454). So they're unlikely to be on par with Zipp's latest designs.
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I would also consider getting a new bike/frame that will take a wider tyre, unless the roads you ride on a very smooth.
As I am sure you are aware the early S5 can barely fit a 23mm.
As I am sure you are aware the early S5 can barely fit a 23mm.
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Which ENVE or Zipp wheel would you suggest?
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People until recently thought that 23's were the way to go, I am not changing my bike to run the new wave of 25's;
05-29-17, 01:59 PM
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Sorry, can't help much there. It's really a question of how much you want to spend vs having the latest and greatest.
Probably something like 404 Firecrest like you're looking at. I'm sure Zipp would claim there's a noticeable difference between the older Firecrest and newer NSW or 454, along the lines of XX W, etc. In practice, I'm not sure how much difference you'd really notice.
Probably something like 404 Firecrest like you're looking at. I'm sure Zipp would claim there's a noticeable difference between the older Firecrest and newer NSW or 454, along the lines of XX W, etc. In practice, I'm not sure how much difference you'd really notice.
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05-29-17, 03:40 PM
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I am currently running tubulars on my new build. About 200 miles in and all I feel is love
Initial set up was time consuming as I used glue rather than tape but it wasn't terribly messy. As far as cost, to equal the same overall weight with clinchers would have cost way more than the difference in price between tubular plus glue and clincher tires plus good tubes plus rim tape. I'll be annoyed at the first flat I get that won't close up with sealant but I am enjoying the ride for now.
Initial set up was time consuming as I used glue rather than tape but it wasn't terribly messy. As far as cost, to equal the same overall weight with clinchers would have cost way more than the difference in price between tubular plus glue and clincher tires plus good tubes plus rim tape. I'll be annoyed at the first flat I get that won't close up with sealant but I am enjoying the ride for now.
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That's kinda what I thought. Sorry for the thread detour. I would stick with current setup BTW....but see below for a budget alternative.
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If you want lighter and more stable on crosswinds, though, consider Williams 31 in the 24/28 spoke version. Williams System 31 (24/28) Alloy Road Wheels
