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Who is fed up with carbon frames?

Old 05-31-17, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by garciawork View Post
I have also ridden steel that didn't feel awesome (Jamis Satellite) so it isn't just intrinsic to the material.

What tubing was on the Jamis? I'm about to pull the trigger on a new Jamis Quest Elite with Reynolds 631.
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Old 05-31-17, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirt Farmer View Post
What tubing was on the Jamis? I'm about to pull the trigger on a new Jamis Quest Elite with Reynolds 631.
Its been a few years, but if memory serves, it was Reynolds 520. Not sure if it was the actual steel or the butting, or the geo... no idea. But I have definitely been on frames that rode better. Wasn't a bad bike though, just not that magic carpet ride my custom steel has.
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Old 05-31-17, 09:57 AM
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Took a hard spill going too fast this April, breaking collarbone and 3 ribs, carbon bike was intact after the hard fall, only thing that needs replacement is one break lever.
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Old 05-31-17, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by kbarch View Post
What could go wrong?
If one of my current steel frames gets damaged before I'm planning to get a new bike I will almost certainly get it replaced before getting a new carbon frame.
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Old 05-31-17, 12:24 PM
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Still loving my '99 OCLV carbon Trek. Can't think of a reason to upgrade.
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Old 05-31-17, 12:32 PM
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The best of both worlds.
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Old 05-31-17, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Nachoman View Post

The best of both worlds.

What is it? (brand-wise)

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Old 05-31-17, 01:16 PM
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Iron fiber reinforced plastic. Best of both worlds. Completely carbon free.
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Old 05-31-17, 01:28 PM
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What is it? (brand-wise)
Holland ExoGrid
Holland ExoGrid® Bicycle ? Holland Cycles
Check out the Jet breakaway bike.


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Old 05-31-17, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Nachoman View Post

The best of both worlds.
Brings to mind the info I got from Gita while researching my Giordana XL Super with them...

"The Giordana frames were quite nice and, especially the ones built were Excel tubing, were pretty unique and cutting edge for the time. The geometry was dialed in by the owner of Gita with assistance from Dario Pegoretti, who built most of the prototype frames. The head engineer at Excel, Isadoro, was a bit of a “mad scientist” who came up with some wild ideas to try for tubing. Someplace here we have a superlight steel tubeset with a carbon fiber wrap on the inside so it could be welded! Excel had the capability to make one-off tubesets long before anyone else did and were able to do a lot of experimentation. Unfortunately, Isadoro disappeared during a sailing expedition and most of this capability was lost. This was also around the time aluminum frames were becoming commonplace in the peloton and steel was on its way out. There were some truly revolutionary prototypes built about this time that never saw production. I’m sure you’ll enjoy it."
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Old 06-09-17, 06:02 AM
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Never owned a carbon frame, I've been riding titanium for 15+ years and will continue to do so
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Old 06-09-17, 06:48 AM
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If I had a carbon frame I'd think it was the best thing since sliced bread. Undeniable advantages. I've never felt any urgency to buy one, but there's nothing wrong with it.
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Old 06-09-17, 08:25 AM
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Currently riding aluminum. Will probably look at a Specialized Roubaix SL4 as my next bike. Or, find a nice steel bike. I ride country roads that have rougher pavement or chip seal, aluminum is getting a bit rough. I could go buy one today if I wanted.

I'll keep my aluminum bike though, it will be for roller use and for when roads are freshly chip-sealed
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Old 06-09-17, 07:34 PM
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Just got rid of my Roubaix for an Allez DSW Sprint SL...I really like the idea of Aluminum and saw some manufacturers were doing some fairly great things with aluminum.
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Old 06-12-17, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by PepeM View Post
Iron fiber reinforced plastic. Best of both worlds. Completely carbon free.
Tell me about this carbon free plastic?
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Old 06-12-17, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Caliper View Post
Tell me about this carbon free plastic?
It's great I'm telling you. The best.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
If I had a carbon frame I'd think it was the best thing since sliced bread. Undeniable advantages. I've never felt any urgency to buy one, but there's nothing wrong with it.
I like this statement.

I have aluminum, steel and carbon. My carbon is my favorite, not necessarily because of the material, but because it's the most comfortable and lightest. I like light bikes, both to ride and to lift for storage, transportation, etc. Not because they make me "faster"; they don't.

But I love the other two also for other reasons. The aluminum because it's design allows nice fat tires, fenders, rear rack, etc. should I want to use them (the tires especially). The steel because it looks very cool (old school Italian w/ shiny parts). Both fit and ride just fine, but for some reason the CF bike just feels better in spite of close to identical fit. I hope I never crash any of my bikes and therefore hope to never test the material in that way.

Before I get so old as to need a recumbent trike, I hope to buy a couple more bikes: a totally period correct 70s bike of a high end brand and color I lusted after during those years (or close enough to period correct so I can restore it without making a lifetime project out of it), a titanium bike, and another vintage-ish steel frame to put the parts I have on hand on. A titanium frame could substitute for this last one, and kill two birds with one stone.

I don't feel a need to ever buy another CF bike. Not because I don't like them (looove them, think it's a great material), but because I'm just so satisfied with what I have.

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It's great I'm telling you. The best.
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Old 06-12-17, 04:00 PM
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Still don't get the OP's premise. Like saying someone's fed up with leather shoes, period. Well, if they got cheap leather shoes, maybe. But how about some fine Italian leather?

I love my carbon bikes. Paid a pretty penny though. And I'm still eyeing a Speedvagen - steel - and a Passoni - titanium.
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Originally Posted by eddiepliers View Post
As I was cleaning my Scott Addict frameset (replacement) today I noticed there was a crack on the downtube. Whenever I saw this I started to burn up. For some time now I have been looking for a steel road bike (The Kona Roadhouse has caught my eye) that could be a little more versatile, but now with today's news, that search may have been escalated

Is there anyone that has given up on carbon framed bikes?
Hi eediepliers,

I read your comments on this road bibcycling forum and I agree. Caron composites bikes are dangerous and no one should ride them. Especially if they are made in far east (Chinese). those counties are known for making bad things that are unsafe and are liekly stolen from the hard wordking Americans. Luke 23:13! Philistines 48:19!!!
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Originally Posted by Costco hot dogs View Post
Hi eediepliers,

I read your comments on this road bibcycling forum and I agree. Caron composites bikes are dangerous and no one should ride them. Especially if they are made in far east (Chinese). those counties are known for making bad things that are unsafe and are liekly stolen from the hard wordking Americans. Luke 23:13! Philistines 48:19!!!
Hi eediepliers,

I can't see if my important message came through the internests (DIALUP HERE) so her They are AGAIN.I read your comments on this road bibcycling forum and I agree. Caron composites bikes are dangerous and no one should ride them. Especially if they are made in far east (Chinese). those counties are known for making bad things that are unsafe and are liekly stolen from the hard wordking Americans. Luke 23:13! Philistines 48:19!!! Luckily I save all my comments to word Perfect before posting them for all too see!!! and I made them a bright color so that their easier to see when you print them out.

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Old 06-13-17, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by mpath View Post
Still don't get the OP's premise. Like saying someone's fed up with leather shoes, period. Well, if they got cheap leather shoes, maybe. But how about some fine Italian leather?

I love my carbon bikes. Paid a pretty penny though. And I'm still eyeing a Speedvagen - steel - and a Passoni - titanium.
I've had plenty of steel and aluminum bikes, last 20 years plus have been carbon. I think it's funny how back in the late 80's early 90's it was all about how carbon was more comfortable and could take the road buzz off better than steel or oversized (at the time) aluminum. Now it's "Steel is real" again.

I've enjoyed and loved every bike I've owned, my current Domane is definitely the best riding bike I've ever had, which I'm sure is a combination of materials, specs, etc. Plus when I built it I had it down to just over 14lbs with pedals and bottle cages.

BUT, like you, I've been lusting for a Speedvagen for years, and I'm hoping to be able to pull the trigger potentially this year. I won't be buying a complete bike unfortunately but porting most of the parts over to the new frame and bars. I plan to keep the Domane frame though and slowly build it back up as funds allow.
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Originally Posted by TexMac View Post
Took a hard spill going too fast this April, breaking collarbone and 3 ribs, carbon bike was intact after the hard fall, only thing that needs replacement is one break lever.
Not by any chance a ca. 2009 SRAM Red left lever? I happen to have one I want to unload.
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Old 06-15-17, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Costco hot dogs View Post
!!! Luckily I save all my comments to word Perfect before posting them for all too see!!! and I made them a bright color so that their easier to see when you print them out.


Who would want to print this out?
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
Not by any chance a ca. 2009 SRAM Red left lever? I happen to have one I want to unload.
LOl..no, I love/prefer SheetMano
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I'm not fed up with them, but after riding Caads I have no need for one....
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