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Old 06-29-17, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bo31210
Great thing about the ole USA is you have the choice to choose what you want to do. I can tell you (after 20+ years as a paramedic), I have seen the results first hand (and sometimes in my hands) Same thing with a seat belt. You don't have to wear them. But I have never cut a seat belt off a dead body.

As I said 100% your choice.
OK, I have 35 years in EMS as a provider both hospital, pre-hospital, trainer, and EMS system and injury prevention administrator. So there. BFD.

NOBODY IS SAYING TBI IS NOT BAD. But the relative risk of hurting your head on a bike is very, very small and no reason to waste money replacing perfectly good helmets due to unsupported scare tactics. There's a lot of ways to hurt your head inside and outside the home.

If you've never cut a seat belt off of a dead body (or can we add fatally injured person), you haven't been around much. If you've never removed a helmet from a dead cyclist, well I can accept that if you haven't because it's rare for cyclists, helmeted or not, to be killed. But I can tell you a lot of dead cyclists are wearing helmets, because they aren't designed for cyclist vs. speeding cars.

I'm sorry to be so snarky, but you put your credentials up and haven't given a good reason to replace good helmets due to an arbitrary, industry serving benchmark.
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"Don't buy styrofoam cups because it takes over 100 years to decompose!"

"Replace your helmet ever 2-3 years because the styrofoam decomposes quickly!"
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Originally Posted by bo31210
Great thing about the ole USA is you have the choice to choose what you want to do. I can tell you (after 20+ years as a paramedic), I have seen the results first hand (and sometimes in my hands) Same thing with a seat belt. You don't have to wear them. But I have never cut a seat belt off a dead body.

As I said 100% your choice.
Nice logical fallacy. How is the age of a styrofoam helmet have anything to do with you being a paramedic? Have you removed a 3-5 year old helmet from a body? Did they die because of an old helmet?
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Originally Posted by tagaproject6
Nice logical fallacy. How is the age of a styrofoam helmet have anything to do with you being a paramedic? Have you removed a 3-5 year old helmet from a body? Did they die because of an old helmet?
It's the classic, "wear a helmet or you'll die" helmet advocate argument updated to "replace your helmet every 5 years or you'll die".

Logic and perspective have nothing to do with it.

As pointed out above, environmentalist hate EPS because it lasts something short of forever, so it's kind of odd to hear about it having a 5 year life.
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Ok sheep.

Corporate has spoken.

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Originally Posted by kc0bbq
...... If you don't like replacing a $300+ helmet, get a $50 or $100 helmet, they still all pass the same minimum standards.
Great thing about bicycling! There are bikes and equipment to fit nearly any budget.

I've cleaned-up and restored cheap bikes I bought off Craigslist or picked up at Goodwill.... that were every bit as dependable and fun to ride as my new bike shop bikes. And my all-black $19.99 Bell helmet is just as comfy, safe, as my MUCH pricier Giro. The two helmets even weight about the same too.

Like so many things in life.... the price of the stuff we surround ourselves with.... is (shamefully) more about status and fashion than for practical reasons.

Even minor head injuries are much more serious for older cyclists... like myself. So I wouldn't even consider cycling without a helmet... purely for practical purposes. Of course which helmet I wear when cycling depends a lot on which color of bicycle I am riding.... or sometimes which kit I chose for the ride.
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Originally Posted by redfooj
except you 100% skirted the point he made.

have you seen first hand the results of crashes on <5yr old helmets vs 5+ yr old helmets?
No but I have seen the results of helmet versus no helmet. Your choice. Buy into the conspiracy of the helmet industry who spends millions of dollars on research or take your chances. As I said it is your gourd......
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Originally Posted by tagaproject6
Nice logical fallacy. How is the age of a styrofoam helmet have anything to do with you being a paramedic? Have you removed a 3-5 year old helmet from a body? Did they die because of an old helmet?
your choice bro Happy riding!
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Originally Posted by bo31210
No but I have seen the results of helmet versus no helmet. Your choice. Buy into the conspiracy of the helmet industry who spends millions of dollars on research or take your chances. As I said it is your gourd......
Except nobody here staked an argument on helmet vs no helmet. (And even if they did, have you seen the results of crashes and incidents without helmet that did not require a trip and exposure to the ER?)

I'm not interested in conspiracies. I am somewhat interested in how people use their gourd to rationalize the decisions that they make and come to the conclusions that they do.

Let me ask, how do you protect your gourd at home? CDC-NCHS says more people are hospitalized per year due to TBI coming from 'falls' than they do vehicular incidents. That's 50k per year, excluding assaults, direct head strikes, etc. I can use your scare tactics to corner you into wearing helmets at home...

...but binary choice of wearing helmet or not wasnt up for debate. It was about the aging and efficacy of old helmets. You threw your fright anecdotes in there but didnt add any substance. So another question to ask is... do you have anything better to offer than that?
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
Suggestion...and honestly, when I tell people this they look at me like I discovered a miracle...wash your helmet out periodically to get the sweat salt out of it. It will also extend the life of the pads. The sweat salt eats at the inside of the helmet. You also get a side benefit in that it does not stink.
I stick my helmets in the kitchen sink with a bit of dish detergent then rinse them out and let them dry.
I've had the same experience, even with people that are very experienced cyclists.
I think there's also an alarming amount of (less experienced) cyclists that don't even know to wash their gloves.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
No. Once every 30k-40k miles isn't that often


I ride in Phoenix AZ, usually over 600 hours a year. Between wrecks, accidental drops, and the UV exposure, my helmets rarely last 3 years.
I think that's a good point. Not infrequently I see helmets fall from when people balance their helmet upside down on top of their saddle, when they lean their bikes against a wall. Hard to know what damage was done.
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Originally Posted by Nachoman
I've had the same experience, even with people that are very experienced cyclists.
I think there's also an alarming amount of (less experienced) cyclists that don't even know to wash their gloves.
Yeah...better is when they bring them back for "warranty"...and they are so crusty you cannot bend them.

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Originally Posted by tagaproject6
Nice logical fallacy. How is the age of a styrofoam helmet have anything to do with you being a paramedic? Have you removed a 3-5 year old helmet from a body? Did they die because of an old helmet?
So one day I am headed to a big park for a ride. Bike on the car thing...get to the park. I was in a bit of a hurry to meet someone to ride with so I grabbed the first helmet I could find and tossed it in my bag.

I get to the park and lay the helmet (I realized it was one I had intended to toss away due to age) on top of the back of my car. It slides off the trunk of the car and hits the parking lot pavement.

The inside cracked in half. It was three years old and had some miles on it.

Frankly, helmet wise it's up to the user. If you choose to not wear one or are still riding what we call a "Breaking Away Bell Helmet" that's on you.

A long time ago I learned that trying to convince people out here is a total waste of time. Personally, I'll share my experiences and move on. It's your brain.


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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
So one day I am headed to a big park for a ride. Bike on the car thing...get to the park. I was in a bit of a hurry to meet someone to ride with so I grabbed the first helmet I could find and tossed it in my bag.

I get to the park and lay the helmet (I realized it was one I had intended to toss away due to age) on top of the back of my car. It slides off the trunk of the car and hits the parking lot pavement.

The inside cracked in half. It was three years old and had some miles on it.

Frankly, helmet wise it's up to the user. If you choose to not wear one or are still riding what we call a "Breaking Away Bell Helmet" that's on you.

A long time ago I learned that trying to convince people out here is a total waste of time.
Personally, I'll share my experiences and move on. It's your brain.


And yet here you are spreading FUD with that one experience dropping your helmet and cracked. That part of your brain that deals with logical thinking is being over shadowed by FUD. Can you show me a peer reviewed scientific research on old helmets and their concurrent deterioration, hence the danger and need for replacement every so many years.

If you want to convince people anywhere, you need hard data, not that one incident when you dropped your helmet and it broke.

https://www.bhsi.org/replace.htm

MET claims 8 years

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Originally Posted by tagaproject6
That part of your brain that deals with logical thinking is being over shadowed by FUD.
People with less to protect tend to want to protect it more.
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Originally Posted by redfooj
People with less to protect tend to want to protect it more.
and now we've hit the bottom.

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Originally Posted by JohnJ80
and now we've hit the bottom.
Thank God it was padded
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Originally Posted by redfooj
Thank God it was padded
Unless that bottom padding is made of 3 year old styrofoam that dropped from a car owned by an EMT who does not cut seat belts off bodies.
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Originally Posted by tagaproject6
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When to Replace a Helmet?

MET claims 8 years
The problem with measuring in years does not account for any difference between someone who ride 10k miles a year in high UV location and sweats a lot vs someone who rides 200 miles a year.

We all make our own decisions, but when it comes to safety, I don't want to take chances and prefer to err on the side of being safe. My life isn't worth the $20 a year I might spend replacing my helmet even when may be perfectly functional.
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Originally Posted by a1penguin
The problem with measuring in years does not account for any difference between someone who ride 10k miles a year in high UV location and sweats a lot vs someone who rides 200 miles a year.
This the same UV that degrades carbon fiber epoxy? Because I would like to finally ride my bike under the sun one of these days.

We all make our own decisions, but when it comes to safety, I don't want to take chances and prefer to err on the side of being safe. My life isn't worth the $20 a year I might spend replacing my helmet even when may be perfectly functional.
Shame, a $20 helmet won't protect as well as a $200 MIPs lid.
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Originally Posted by tagaproject6
And yet here you are spreading FUD with that one experience dropping your helmet and cracked. That part of your brain that deals with logical thinking is being over shadowed by FUD. Can you show me a peer reviewed scientific research on old helmets and their concurrent deterioration, hence the danger and need for replacement every so many years.

If you want to convince people anywhere, you need hard data, not that one incident when you dropped your helmet and it broke.

When to Replace a Helmet?

MET claims 8 years
Thanks for proving my point.

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If you do not like what I said, move along.

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The problem with anecdotes like "If I hadn't been wearing a helmet, I would have died." is that it can't be proven.

Nobody volunteers to back up their statement by repeating the accident without one. Big difference between believing and knowing.
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If anyone is interested, prolonged exposure to ultraviolet will degrade EPS but only a literal dusting on the surface. A small fraction of a mm, IF it is exposed to direct sunlight all day long for months or years. The impact resistance of the EPS is degraded to the extent of the lost material but NOT in the foam beneath the surface. And that's if you've taken the plastic cover off. The "lost material" is the amount of EPS represented by the thin layer of dust. In short, for impact resistance UV degradation of the foam is, literally a non-issue. For practical purposes it doesn't happen, not in 5 years, not in any number of years, regardless of anecdotes.

You can destroy EPS foam with certain chemicals and vapors including, I have heard, from nearby lead acid batteries and sealed cans. Basically nothing naturally occurring in the living environment harms the foam but it's possible to store helmets next to stuff that will.

That's all relevant to the foam itself, not the whole helmet. Replace it or not as you wish, but there is no need to be concerned about invisible UV damage or simple aging of the helmet, for as long as you own it.
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When I was 15, I did a Superman over my bars at about ~20mph down a hill. No helmet. Cracked my skull, bleeding on the brain, lost a week's work of memories.

When I was 35, I crossed wheels in a paceline at about ~30mph and went down on my back. Badly bruised my shoulder & backside, bad road rash for a couple weeks. The back of my head smacked the pavement hard - but I was wearing a helmet.

When my head hit, it literally felt like it was landing on a pillow. Seriously not an exaggeration. I even remarked to myself in the slow-motion moment of contact, "Hey, pillow!".

Needless to say, I now own the best helmet I can afford and keep it clean & in good shape.

And hey, if you say I should replace it every three to five years... Well then, OK. True or not, you'll get no argument from me whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Succhia Ruota
When I was 15, I did a Superman over my bars at about ~20mph down a hill. No helmet. Cracked my skull, bleeding on the brain, lost a week's work of memories.

Hope you hadn't had your first kiss during the week before the accident.


Just trying to add some levity to this thread.
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