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Continental 4 Season vs Grand Prix 4000

Old 07-02-17, 09:10 AM
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I'm told there's a difference in ride quality. One set of wheels, Mavis CXP33 19.5 mm width, with Conti GP4S in 23 front, 25 rear. Another wheel set, Magic Kyserium SE, 25mm, Mavic Yksion Elite tires, 25mm both.

Back to back rides, same bike, same roads. I guess the Mavic tires roll a bit smoother. The Kyseriums seem to accelerate a bit quicker. The differences are so nuanced I think if it were a blind taste test I'd never know the difference.
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Gp4000ii

If you ride with the Victoria any new conti will make you love it.
I've tried it all and nothing compare with the smoothness of the ride with the GP.Gatorskin and 4 seasons are great tires and will definitely protect you better out there but you can feel the the diffrence handling the bike and the vibration.Especially on long distances.I ended sticking with the GP all year round and after 3000 miles it becomes a puncturefeast as the black chilli side wall compound will go and it's time to change.
I've done below zero countless times and nearly 100 degrees and have 110psi during summer and 80/90 on heavy winter and again have done over 3000 miles on it.
I would definitely suggest you the continental grand prix 4000 s II

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Old 08-27-17, 01:57 AM
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I haven't tried the 4000.
I thought the 4s wore more quickly than I had expected. Flat protection seemed good.
I've generally done well with the Gatorskins and Gator Hardshells.
A Hardshell sidewall blowout did leave me a bit leary, but I haven't given up on them yet. Abrasion resistance of the Conti sidewalls is low, although it may not be a problem.
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I'm currently using Specialized Turbo Cotton and am very impressed .... I use them with race tubes (not latex, but much lighter than normal tubes)

These are on my 'best bike' and so far so good .... I only use them in the dry and these are by far much faster than GP4000 SII
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I used a set of Conti 4000's a while back and they did not perform well in rain at all.
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Old 08-27-17, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by motosonic
I used a set of Conti 4000's a while back and they did not perform well in rain at all.
Care to expand on that? I've never had a slid with mine in the rain. I have 700x28.
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Have been riding GP4000 II under rain and snow without issues
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Originally Posted by popeye
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The sidewalls that give the 4000S such a supple ride is also vulnerable to cuts. I rarely happens here but it does suck to ruin a low mileage tire.
This is why I gave up on the GP4000 - I lost 3 newish tires to sidewall cuts. I ride with 4 seasons now. I agree with others that they aren't as smooth-rolling as the GP4000, but I get fewer flats. And flats from sidewall cuts aren't always fixable on the road, though boots help. 4 Seasons are more responsive than Gatorskins but almost as good for flat protection and for wet grip.
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had both. for me the GP4S had terrible puncture resistance. Never am I going back to those again. Probably just bad luck. But the GP4000SII ride noticeably smoother and roll better.
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While they are supple roll so smoothly, the GP 4 season have been a nightmare for me. I actually switched out my S works Turbo cotton (0 flats in two seasons) for the supposedly reliable GP (which are a B#$^% to put on, BTW) and "boom" two flats within the first 100 miles. I'll swap back on the Turbo cottons, but once they wear out I'm giving tubeless a try.
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Originally Posted by SylvainG
Care to expand on that? I've never had a slid with mine in the rain. I have 700x28.
I hit some wet RR tracks in Wisconsin.. exactly like you're supposed to and those things flew out from under me like they were on casters... and believe me, I've ridden over wet tracks before without a single worry on my Maxxis Re-Fuse. Guess this is what I get for not sticking with my go-to rubber.
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This thread is exactly what I was looking for. I've been waiting for the stock tires on my Giant Defy to wear out so that I can replace them. And just as I was about to start shopping around got a puncture flat. In either case, based on what I read in this thread and other reviews I am going with GP4000 SII. I was planning on replacing with the same size tires I currently have on my bike (700x25). But then I read the review below and it sounds like they are saying that the 28mm tires are better. Maybe its my tire noobness here - but I don't really get it. Should I be shopping for 28mm instead of 25mm?

Review: Continental Grand Prix 4000s II 28mm tyres | road.cc
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Originally Posted by klepto1
This thread is exactly what I was looking for. I've been waiting for the stock tires on my Giant Defy to wear out so that I can replace them. And just as I was about to start shopping around got a puncture flat. In either case, based on what I read in this thread and other reviews I am going with GP4000 SII. I was planning on replacing with the same size tires I currently have on my bike (700x25). But then I read the review below and it sounds like they are saying that the 28mm tires are better. Maybe its my tire noobness here - but I don't really get it. Should I be shopping for 28mm instead of 25mm?

Review: Continental Grand Prix 4000s II 28mm tyres | road.cc
I ride the 2012 Defy Advanced with Conti GP4000 in 25mm and LOVE them. On newer wider rims (not sure what the 2014 Defy came with) 28mm could be a good choice but if you have old school wide rims I'd stay with 25mm personally.
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Originally Posted by motosonic
I hit some wet RR tracks in Wisconsin.. exactly like you're supposed to and those things flew out from under me like they were on casters... and believe me, I've ridden over wet tracks before without a single worry on my Maxxis Re-Fuse. Guess this is what I get for not sticking with my go-to rubber.
Don't know what to say. Here's a bridge I take every morning.

https://www.google.ca/maps/@45.45760...2!8i6656?hl=en

The abrasive surface is gone for about 20 feet and it's smooth metal under (similar to rail road tracks). Even when wet, I have no trouble accelerating (just turned the corner on the left) and never slip or slide with my GP 4000.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
I ride the 2012 Defy Advanced with Conti GP4000 in 25mm and LOVE them. On newer wider rims (not sure what the 2014 Defy came with) 28mm could be a good choice but if you have old school wide rims I'd stay with 25mm personally.
Thanks. I am not going to over think it, I want to purchase them asap so I can get back on the road. 25mm have worked well up to this point.
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Originally Posted by motosonic
I hit some wet RR tracks in Wisconsin.. exactly like you're supposed to and those things flew out from under me like they were on casters... and believe me, I've ridden over wet tracks before without a single worry on my Maxxis Re-Fuse. Guess this is what I get for not sticking with my go-to rubber.
Rider error. My summer tires are the 4000IIs, both on my singles and tandem. Traction is excellent in both dry and wet conditions, perhaps the best there is, also fast. They're not the fastest, but close enough. However I want more sidewall protection in winter. I tried 4-Seasons on our tandem and wound up throwing them away - too slow and poor road feel. The old 4-Seasons had really bad traction in the wet, but AFAIK the new 4-Seasons have the same Black Chili rubber as the 4000IIs.

My current fave strong-sidewall tire is the Vittoria Rubino Pro Tech III (not the same as the Pro III). However they are out of production, so I'm looking for another option. Haven't found one yet, but not out of the Pro Tech tires. Maybe the Michelin Endurance v2.

Here's a list of tires recently tested for rolling resistance: Road Bike Tires Rolling Resistance Reviews. Pretty easy to see that the 4-Seasons are slow tires - 5.2 watts/tire more resistance than the 4000IIs at 100 lbs.
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I find that the GP4000ii is about as decent for juncture protection and costs as a fast/light tire gets. The Michelins Pro4s are good too but slightly softer and get a few more cuts. In the winter, I'm probably going to use the IRC tubeless tires on both bikes. I usually get the Conti for $30-$34 per tire on sale. I get 2 each time but have not been stocking up as I usually would.
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There's also the regular Grand Prix:
wiggle.com | Continental Grand Prix Folding Road Tyre | Road Race Tires

Black chili compound but slightly heavier (and stronger?) protection belt
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Originally Posted by Elvo
There's also the regular Grand Prix:
wiggle.com | Continental Grand Prix Folding Road Tyre | Road Race Tires

Black chili compound but slightly heavier (and stronger?) protection belt
also turns the tire into a brick like the gatorskin, though not quite as bad
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I've been using the 4 seasons (28mm) for about 10k miles in Paris, France as a bike messenger riding with a 5-20kg backpack (plus 74km of my own weight) over broken glass and cobblestones, and have also ridden them on fire roads several times.

They are covered in cuts, but I have never had a puncture and I think that they still have 1-1.5 k miles in them before I change them. I have no ides or the conditions that people ride in to change them every 6000km or even 2k miles as somebody suggested, but it seems crazy to me.

Maybe they are slower than the GP4000 S II but I have not tried those so I can't compare. But I can tell that the GP4S have great durability and grip and they are fast enough for most riders.
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I've used both. in fact currently my front is a 4 Season, while my rear is a GP4000 SII.

the GP4000 SII are more comfortable, and rolls better. but they are just a bit "delicate", compared to the 4 Seasons.

However it's hard to find 4 Seasons at a good price. Last time I bought them at $35 a tire, should have bought more.
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The original Bontrager T1L 700x23 tires that were installed on my bike when new have seen better days.

My bike usage is on-road, so I want / need durability, puncture resistance and traction. Depending upon the timing for tide / moon phase infrequently there are spots where the Intracoastal is 1-2" deep over the roadway, so grip is important.

My tire selection was the Continental Grand Prix 4 Season, remaining w/ the 700x23 size, P/N 0100173, rated for 110 - 120 PSI in this size.
This tire has their Double Vectran Breaker, according to their catalog: "The ultimate in puncture protection. Incredibly tear resistant yet at an extremely low weight. Rolling resistance remains completely unaffected."
It also has their black Duraskin. Also according to their catalog: "Tyres with DuraSkin® sidewall protection can take a beating as they are designed for the most adverse conditions. In rough terrain on a cyclocross or a gravel bike, on commuter bikes where tyres scrape along curbs, on touring bikes as they cross continents encountering many different road qualities and on the race circuit where they prove themselves in endurance events such as the Paris-Roubaix. The high-quality polyamide fabric reliably protects the wall of the tyre. Tyres with DuraSkin® can be identified by the characteristic brown mesh sidewall."
My experience from now using these Continental Grand Prix 4 Season tires is that the handling and traction is superior and predicable. The rolling resistance is lower, I am going about 2-3 MPH faster now.

When I changed to these tires I also switched to their P/N 0180591 tube, w/ the 42 mm Presta valve and their P/N 0195066 Easy Tape High Pressure Rim Strip <220 PSI.

My impression of these tires is positive and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend these parts.







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