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Front wheel rubbing on tips of shoes when turning.

Old 02-19-20, 11:57 PM
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2 1/2 additional years of toverlap.

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Originally Posted by Colin G View Post
On Yesterday's ride I made a conscious effort to do this. Toe rub only happened as I was riding up my front walk and have a sharp left hander to get into my back yard. I almost ate **** and fell over onto the lawn.
Which pedal was down?
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I have a lot of toe overlap on my bike. I upgraded shoes from a Specialized Torch 3.0 to the Sworks7 and the shoe no longer scuffs. The shoe uses dyneema, which is basically some wonder material that does everything.
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Originally Posted by ddub View Post
Called toe overlap. Not unusual on a more race oriented road bike. Avoid low speed turning with a horizontal pedal. All my road bikes have this but as long as I'm aware of it avoiding the issue is easy. Haven't crashed yet because of the overlap. I crash for other reasons. FYI I am the same size as you 5'8" size 9.
I'm 5'9" and size 12...my only bike that does NOT crash my toes is my Cannondale Topstone Alloy...has a 48mm fork rake and a 1015mm wheelbase...great on gravel, but not fast. My fast bikes have this problem, but I've gotten used to it...the only issues I have found (real ones) is very steep climbs where it is difficult not to wobble a bit, and you can't back off on power or you'll fall anyways!
One of my hardcore road bikes has fenders year round and they exacerbate the problem, but generally don't ride hills when it's raining
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Originally Posted by msu2001la View Post
It's called "toe overlap". And yes, it's only a problem at very slow speeds.

I'm not sure there's much you can do about it.
How are the cleats set on your shoes??? Over the ball of your foot or are they pushed back a bit?
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Toe overlap bothers some folks, others (like me) donít care.

I ride pretty small bikes for my shoe size, and toe overlap is a given for the road bikes Iíve owned. Iíve adapted to it and just donít stick my foot in the wheel anymore. I donít really think about it, its just muscle memory.
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My steel bike has been crashed a few times in races. I think the fork is bent back a little. I have huge overlap, but rarely ever think about it unless doing a U-Turn in my driveway.
Someday I'll check the fork, and maybe fix it ...someday ...maybe
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I ride in the city so lots of very tight turning and toe overlap.

I learned to pedal with my toes right on the flat pedals and never had toe overlap ever since even with full fenders!

Toe overlap can be problem in the city streets. Almost fell a few times because of it. Some say to half-pedal when turning tightly around cars in traffic. However, it can catch you in a bad position if the light turns green and the wrong pedal and wheel angle, you'd be stuck for a moment with angry motorists behind you. Toes on the pedal solved the problem entirely. I can accelerate with the traffic without any issues even if the front wheel is turned sharply.

Road frame is quite good on city streets if you can avoid toe overlap because you can make very tight turns with the short wheelbase and squeeze between cars with the narrow dropbar.
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Check that front fork...

As little as 3į of bend back in the fork can make big changes in toe clearance. And 3į is hard to see without close observation.

How about a pic and let us know what kind of bike, size wheels and tires you have along with your crank arm size.

If and old road bike you can always try to go to a Vintage Motobecane fork and get some real clearance... Ha
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Bothers me, it is felt when climbing super steep grades (where not pedal = fall over) even on a frame which has little of it.

Prospecting future bikes I make note of front-center distance
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Originally Posted by Kapusta View Post
Toe overlap bothers some folks, others (like me) donít care.

I ride pretty small bikes for my shoe size, and toe overlap is a given for the road bikes Iíve owned. Iíve adapted to it and just donít stick my foot in the wheel anymore. I donít really think about it, its just muscle memory.

This is basically me as well. I like smaller frames but have sideshow bob feet ie. long and narrow. My current road bike has some overlap. During normal riding, even steep and long climbs, I don't think about it. Somehow I've internalized the cycling envelope where I can operate the bike without hitting my feet.

I think I mostly notice it while waiting bored at long red lights (as I try to exit the urban area for nicer cycling territory) and end up turning the wheel into my foot.
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