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Help me settle a Strava argument

Old 07-08-17, 01:14 PM
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Help me settle a Strava argument

My buddy and I had a competition on a 23km Strava segment this morning.

I beat his time by 1:15 but had to stop for a minute at one point cause my leg cramped up. I argue that the process of slowing from 28kph to 0 and starting up again was much more of a negative than 1 minute of rest was a positive. I wasn't tired at all, my leg just ceased up due to a cramp, I had no choice.

I say he can have as many breaks as he want. It will hurt him more than help.


Here is the route. Segment Is M and B's loop.

https://www.strava.com/activities/1073594484/shareable_images/map_based?hl=en-US&v=1499527902
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Old 07-08-17, 01:17 PM
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I'll answer assuming I know the question.

If the clock stopped while you stopped - that does not count.
If the clock was running - that does count.

Cramping is reflective of performance - it counts. A faster rider that cramps and finishes after the slower rider - is the slower rider.
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You clearly need to ride your bikes more if this is an actual pissiong match.
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Old 07-08-17, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
I'll answer assuming I know the question.

If the clock stopped while you stopped - that does not count.
If the clock was running - that does count.

Cramping is reflective of performance - it counts. A faster rider that cramps and finishes after the slower rider - is the slower rider.
It auto pauses, but even factoring in the time stopped, my time was quicker.
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Can a Tour de France rider pause the time when he cramps up or gets burned out?

That should settle this.
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Old 07-08-17, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Stojcic View Post
Can a Tour de France rider pause the time when he cramps up or gets burned out?

That should settle this.
That's apples to oranges
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I agree that stopping= slower times.

You can easily go 1/2 of average speed, but it's difficult to go 2x average speed

so the time will not be made up.
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Old 07-08-17, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rbk_3 View Post
That's apples to oranges
Lemons to oranges, no?

Anyhow, why don't you settle it with a ride together?
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Originally Posted by rbk_3 View Post
slowing from 28kph to 0 and starting up again was much more of a negative than 1 minute of rest was a positive
Yes, if the two of you started the same segment at the same moment this morning and you were at the end 15 seconds before your buddy, you rode it faster.
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Strava segment times include any time stopped, the clock is always running. So if you hadn't of stopped for 1 minute you would have beat your friend by 2:15 instead of 1:15.
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Originally Posted by Stojcic View Post
Can a Tour de France rider pause the time when he cramps up or gets burned out?

That should settle this.


Strava counts the stopped time. At least it does in the segments I've looked at where I stopped in the middle. There's a longer segment near my house that goes past a place where I often stop to pee. I would have had the KOM one day if I hadn't stopped to pee.


So, in theory, Froome could build up a big lead on the Mont du Chat tomorrow, stop for a little break, then continue riding and still win the stage.
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Originally Posted by smarkinson View Post
Strava segment times include any time stopped, the clock is always running. So if you hadn't of stopped for 1 minute you would have beat your friend by 2:15 instead of 1:15.

Oh thanks for clearing that up. I just assumed they paused when your ride paused. Makes sense it keeps running.
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Originally Posted by rbk_3 View Post
It auto pauses, but even factoring in the time stopped, my time was quicker.
Guess I don't get it. I thought Strava just looked at total time.

Your stopping is fine as long as it goes against your total time. You can stop to eat a sandwich, drink, do whatever you want except move forward due to mechanical help and it counts.

If it took buddy 10 min riding and it took you 9:50 riding 9 min and doing whatever - your time is 9:50 and faster.

If it took your buddy 10 min riding and you stopped for 30 sec cause you needed a natural break, or a cramp, or mechanical, or anything and your riding time was really 9:30 but total time was was 10:00.0003 (.0003 is how much Kittle won by) then your buddy is faster.

The stopping has nothing to do with anything.
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Originally Posted by rbk_3 View Post
It auto pauses, but even factoring in the time stopped, my time was quicker.
Then why is there any argument? Is there some question as to whether you stopped for only one minute, or maybe something more than 1:15? If that's the case, we can't help you. We'd have to look at clock times when each of you stopped and finished.
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Old 07-08-17, 04:23 PM
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Then why is there any argument? Is there some question as to whether you stopped for only one minute, or maybe something more than 1:15? If that's the case, we can't help you. We'd have to look at clock times when each of you stopped and finished.
It's not an argument anymore cause segment clocks keep running even if you pause your ride. Argument settled.
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By default Strava pauses the "moving time" clock when you stop. You can change the setting where the "moving time" clock does not pause when you stop. The "elapsed time" clock is always running.
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For a segment, the time is finish time minus start time... That simple. Auto pause only affects overall ride data.
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott View Post
For a segment, the time is finish time minus start time... That simple. Auto pause only affects overall ride data.
Yes, as I understand it.

Segment is overall time that includes stops. Ride has a "moving time" number that doesn't include stops.

The segment in question is "M & B's Loop" with the 1:16 pause and is an actual segment. I'd say that the 49:15 is a righteous time and result, and OP is correct that the pause didn't help him. His buddy is free to stop and rest on the segment if he thinks it will help his time. But it won't help him
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Originally Posted by Stojcic View Post
Can a Tour de France rider
Dope
Ride non road legal bike
Ride underweight bike
Ride just the segment and put bike in car
Get motor paced/hold onto car (never-mind that one)
...

They are different
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Arguing over Strava results IMHO is stupid. If you want to race your friend, race your friend. If you want to race multiple people pin on a number. I get that some people enjoy Strava, but when you have to argue about this that and the other, it just seems very trivial and absurd.




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When people pin on a number, no one argues about the results.
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Yeah, segment times are elapsed, not moving. Regardless, stopping is not going to be beneficial to your moving time unless you're operating under a very peculiar set of circumstances - the time spent slowing down and speeding back up is a huge knock and the energy necessary to get back up to speed is significant.
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I agree, you stopping just adds to your segment time. It only makes it worse for you. So you beat him.
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When people pin on a number, no one argues about the results.
You are joking - right?
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