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Old 07-09-17, 03:50 PM
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Hit & Run Gopro|Caught

GoPro video captures moment educator clips cyclist in hit and run incident - ABC News
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Old 07-09-17, 04:04 PM
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That didn't look intentional at all.
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What that driver did is NEVER going to be OK behaviour.

But I can't help but ask why the riders were two abreast on obviously narrow roads?
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That cyclist deserved that.
That'll teach him to learn to SHARE THE ROAD and not be a blithering imbecile by taking up the entire lane.
It's inconsiderate jerks like him that give all of us a bad name.
I feel for the driver getting caught up in all those legal issues.

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Originally Posted by Beach Bob View Post
But I can't help but ask why the riders were two abreast on obviously narrow roads?
Because it's legal and there's plenty of room in the opposite lane to pass?
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Oh pulleeze!

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Ouch! I hope the cyclist is ok. That's going to leave a mark.
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BTW I believe I heard an F bomb in the video, which is understandable.
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Originally Posted by SevenTwentyNine View Post
That cyclist deserved that...
Wow. I hope one day you get hit by a car so I can say that you deserved it.
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Originally Posted by SevenTwentyNine View Post
That cyclist deserved that.
That'll teach him to learn to SHARE THE ROAD and not be a blithering imbecile by taking up the entire lane.
It's inconsiderate jerks like him that give all of us a bad name.
I feel for the driver getting caught up in all those legal issues.
I'll give you credit for some well played sarcasm.

The reality is that nobody was blocking the road, since there was plenty of room to pass in the opposing lane, where there was no traffic in sight.

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I'm not usually one that looks to charge a collision as a criminal act, but elements of this case are very troubling.

Given the road placement of the victim, and the fact that the driver had moved into the opposing lane to be to his left, it's safe to assume that the driver saw the cyclist, and made to pass him.

So the question is why did then move to his right before completing his pass. That would have called for either one hell of a misjudgement or intent to cause a crash and injury. The latter would add a charge of vehicular assault to all the charges related to what happened after. The added charge would change a string as misdemeanors to a felony, and I'm hoping the prosecutor pushes for it.
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Originally Posted by BillyD View Post
Oh pulleeze!

What does it matter to be right if you're dead right?
As the victim of a hit and run where I was not two abreast (or with anyone else for that matter), I can assure you that it wouldn't have made a flying **** of a difference if they were single file if the driver had the intention to hit one of them.

Comments like yours are blaming the victim and are frankly disgusting to me coming from a moderator.
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Originally Posted by BillyD View Post
Oh pulleeze!

What does it matter to be right if you're dead right?
Sorry Billy, I'm with JoeJack on this one.

Given the lane widths, shared lane passing isn't an option. So passing one cyclist or two is the same thing, requiring crossing the center line and passing in the opposing lane when there's room to do so.

In fact, if you look at the video, it appears that the driver was already to the left and hit the cyclist on his way bact to the right. There'was absolutely no need to rush the move back to the right, so I'm pretty comfortable in assuming this was an intentional act driven by a desire to "punish" the cyclist.

NO issue of lane placement justifies vehicular assault. however this was especially egregious because the traffic was light and the driver] not inconvenienced by any delay.
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The riders were in Tennessee and well within their rights to ride two abreast. There is no single file law in Tennessee.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/article/bikeped-bikelaws
Two abreast is completely permissible and motorists in Tennessee should have no expectation of single file cyclists.

The Natchez Trace Parkway is federal parkland and the driver is likely going to face federal charges. He is in a heap of trouble right now.


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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
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The Natchez Trace Parkway is federal parkland and the driver is likely going to face federal charges. He is in a heap of trouble right now.


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Yes, a heap of trouble now, and may get worse.

At this point, the driver would be wise to seek a plea deal as soon as possible. Otherwise there's the risk that a prosecutor takes the case before a grand jury looking for a vehicular assault indictment.

BTW - keep in mind that this is about the driver's actions. Regardless of what one may feel about how the cyclists were riding, it's not about them unless the driver should try to raise that as a mitigating factor justifying an intentional assault.
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The Natchez Trace explicitly allows two abreast riding and posts Bicycle right signs every mile. They suggest riding single file to give right of way for faster vehicles, but the rider was well within the rights allowed.

As an aside, the driver has been caught and is facing federal charges for reckless endangerment among other things. He also apparently has a history of aggression towards cyclists.

No reason to **** shame here, it was an intentional act and will be prosecuted as such.
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Cyclist hit along Natchez Trace Parkway, administrator at University School arrested | WKRN News 2

FRANKLIN, Tenn. (WKRN) – An administrator of a private school in Nashville has been placed on a leave of absence after his arrest in connection with the hit-and-run of a bicyclist Saturday on Natchez Trace Parkway in Williamson County.

According to the National Park Service, 58-year-old Marshall Grant Neely III was booked into the Williamson County Detention Center on Saturday night, where he is charged with reckless endangerment, leaving the scene of an accident, failure to immediately notify of an accident, and failure to render aid. He could face federal charges, too



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A college educator. Enough said.
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A college educator. Enough said.
He is Dean of a local K-12 private school
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
The riders were in Tennessee and well within their rights to ride two abreast. There is no single file law in Tennessee.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/article/bikeped-bikelaws
Two abreast is completely permissible and motorists in Tennessee should have no expectation of single file cyclists.

The Natchez Trace Parkway is federal parkland and the driver is likely going to face federal charges. He is in a heap of trouble right now.


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Does Tennessee also have an allowance to pass bikes on double yellow? This is a topic that comes up in cycling safety circles - some people will never cross a double yellow, some see them as suggestions. When the idea is floated to make it legal I usually object.
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Because it's legal and there's plenty of room in the opposite lane to pass?
Ehhh, state law says otherwise. But then this was a state park and apparently things are a little different there but it seems like the states law that says stay right unless there's a hazard and ride single file still applies.
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In a way, one of the saddest, strangest, and most troubling things about this story is the driver.

This wasn't some ****kicker wearing redneck, scraping by day to day, and mad at the world. Nor was it a drunk, who one might say wasn't in control of his actions.

This was a middle class, well connected member of middle class society. So it begs the question WHY?

When I hear cases like this, I wish I were a judge so, prior to the sentencing, I could ask the person to explain in open court, what, exactly, was going through his mind at the time.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
The riders were in Tennessee and well within their rights to ride two abreast. There is no single file law in Tennessee.
https://www.tn.gov/tdot/article/bikeped-bikelaws
Two abreast is completely permissible and motorists in Tennessee should have no expectation of single file cyclists.

The Natchez Trace Parkway is federal parkland and the driver is likely going to face federal charges. He is in a heap of trouble right now.


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Hmm. Didn't read all the way through?

"(a) (1) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except under any of the following situations:"
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Wow. I hope one day you get hit by a car so I can say that you deserved it.
Meh, whatever dude. I don't really care about your hopes and dreams.
If I'm riding like that imbecile was in the video then I myself would be the first say I deserved it when I get smacked by a 5,000lb object. So is life.


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The reality is that nobody was blocking the road, since there was plenty of room to pass in the opposing lane, where there was no traffic in sight.
Really informative, I'll give you credit for that.

What I will point out however is that even though they did apparently have right of way to use both lanes (from what you guys are saying, I couldn't be bothered to read the details of the situation) you'll notice that in this video the road starts to curve to the left creating a blind spot that makes overtaking exceedingly dangerous the closer you get to that apex.
So even though in theory there was plenty of room to pass, at this point in the video, that wasn't the case. Just Just because there was no traffic in sight doesn't mean a car couldn't come around that bend at the wrong time.

Sure you can argue the drivers should have been more patient and waited until it was safe the pass the cyclists and this is valid, however, putting the rule book aside and applying common sense which seems to be lacking in our society today, the cyclists could have been considerate human beings and simply moved over to the side in a single file for that curved section of road so drivers can safely pass them without risking oncoming traffic or having to wait behind them as they crawl up the hill on their bikes. Everybody wins.

A little consideration for others goes such a long way and that cyclist didn't show that - regardless of what the rule book says. There was a feasible alternative that would have worked best for everyone and he ignored or failed to acknowledge it.
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He is Dean of a local K-12 private school
I stand corrected. I still hope they "throw the book" at him.
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