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Anti-Bike Societal Attitude in USA. Why?

Old 07-18-17, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by DXchulo View Post
I think you pretty much nailed it with both statements. In general, the roads aren't built to accommodate bikes, so drivers see cyclists as a nuisance. I think most people see riding a bike as something that either kids or poor people do. It's not seen as a legitimate form of transportation.


Also, you have to remember that more than half of the country is fat. I think at least half of those fat people don't like to see you out there being skinny and enjoying life.
Interesting that the root of the problem, as you see it, is really a problem with kids and poor people, the bike is just the virtue signal.

Also... fat guy on a bike enjoying life.
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Old 07-18-17, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by DomaneS5 View Post
I was referring more to infrastructure for bikes and attitudes towards cyclists in general. My town has ZERO bike lanes and paths. Many of the larger towns and cities nearby have bike lanes.
Size of the city/village might has something to do with that. In the city where I live (200,000 habitant) and the city next to it (1,000,000 habitant) there are very nice bike path infrastructure. Two third of my 20 km commute is on bike path/lane or MUP. Where my cottage is, the village is just 600 habitant (2,000 habitant during Summer), there is not even enough sidewalk to get to the school's village, let alone bike lanes...

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Wanna run that by me again?
No, my head hurts already just thinking about it
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Old 07-18-17, 02:10 PM
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The usa is a start of "mind your own business" - meaning if you love it then dont care about all the other noise.
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Old 07-18-17, 04:54 PM
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When I started commuting a couple years ago I would get the "Get out of the road, ya jackass!" at least once a week. I've never had anything thrown at me, though, one kid in the passenger side of some other kid's truck decided to try to hit me with his open door. Luckily his friend managed to be far enough to my left so as to not kill me. IMO, this is just certain types of people projecting their...whatever...onto me being the most accessible nuisance. Recently, life has been really good. I'm not sure how much this is correlated, but, it's the only thing I can think of. We recent passed and ordinance making it a fineable offense to be using a cell phone while driving within the city limits, up to $500.
I think in general, though, I'm very tolerated. Not accepted, yet, but, it's getting easier.
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Old 07-18-17, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MR_se7en View Post
The usa is a start of "mind your own business" - meaning if you love it then dont care about all the other noise.
Which completely fails at explaining why cars try to run cyclists off the road.
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Old 07-18-17, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Tokwan View Post
I somehow beg to differ! I am a Malaysian who have been to the US of A many many times. I have ridden bicycles there.
I have been allowed to bring my bike up to my room or sometimes apartment where I stay if its more than a week.
I can chain my bike at certain areas if i go to a restaurant. Of course if the restaurant is all well made up, they wouldn't want a the scene of a bike chained to a lamp post in front of the establishment. If I am not wrong, it is an offense to chain a bike to a lamp post or any private places without the owner's permission.
When you oiled your chain, was there any oil dripping on the sidewalk? It makes the sidewalk dirty and as we know, chain oil is oil and can be slippery.
I would not say that US of A and its citizens are anti bike. In fact, a lot of people bike. I get thumbs up when I show up at the office with a bike.
Stop! You're putting a dent in the cynicism and negative generalaties cast from but a few individual experiences. Have some consideration will you, lol.
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Old 07-18-17, 09:22 PM
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Didn't read the whole thread, but re: bike infrastructure, that is something that is definitely changing. Many/most public improvement projects in my area have to include consideration for bikes, including adding bike lanes. It's kind of silly because sometimes the local agencies will widen or realign a short segment of a road, and then include bike lanes within that portion only. So you'll go from no shoulder to a full striped bike lane for 500' or so, then back to no shoulder. Also, many cities around my area are adding bike lanes and painting them green for easier visibility. it's changing at least for the local governments, now how that impacts drivers and the general public, that's another matter.
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Old 07-19-17, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
It's kind of silly because sometimes the local agencies will widen or realign a short segment of a road, and then include bike lanes within that portion only. So you'll go from no shoulder to a full striped bike lane for 500' or so, then back to no shoulder.
There is a section I sometimes ride where there is a full bike lane until the road reaches a hill, and then two-thirds of the way up, the bike lane disappears. It picks up again a third of the way down the far side ... in other words, just after the driver cresting the hill has hit you from behind.
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Old 07-19-17, 06:23 AM
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speaking of bike lanes, this just in:

https://www.bikeforums.net/19729065-post8550.html

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Old 07-19-17, 06:45 AM
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IMHO, this guy nailed it.

Originally Posted by motosonic View Post
Plain and simple, cyclists are a nuisance.. and Americans are Selfish and Self-Absorbed. As someone had mentioned earlier, when an American motorist gets on the road it becomes their road and you being a cyclist on it and on their turf. I'm sure most would never admit such a thing.. but, I've heard plenty of people talking and saying how annoying cyclists are on the roads or how they should not be there. They play it off as it being dangerous.. they feign concern over the cyclists well-being.. But, really it just comes from a selfish place. They don't want to be 'inconvenienced' by the cyclist in Any way.. Whether that means going around them, getting stuck behind them, etc. They don't want the responsibility of being around a cyclist.

Believe it or not, I was part of a conversation once.. with my boss before they knew I was a cyclist.. And they were talking to me about a local cycling group and how they cycling on the roads and it's a horrible, annoying thing and they have to learn to stay out of the way, etc. of drivers. Clearly there was much more to it than that, but it was one of those times where I just 'had' to bite my tongue.. but it showed me that we're just not liked, at all out there.
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Old 07-19-17, 11:00 AM
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America has become a "me first" society, people think they own the road and shouldn't have to share with others. On a side note on a recent beach ride I went to walk my road bike into the mens room with me at the beach of all places and the custodian runs over and tells me I can't take it in there. I looked at him and asked if a stroller can go in there, he said yes. What about a wheelchair? Of course he says. So I'm taking my ******** bike in pal.
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Old 07-19-17, 08:42 PM
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^^ I'd have said "well I guess I have to pee right here then." **zzzzzzip**
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Old 07-20-17, 08:05 PM
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Wow. Amazed my observation got so much interest.

Originally Posted by floridamtb View Post
America has become a "me first" society, people think they own the road and shouldn't have to share with others.
But isn't this true of all societies not just the US? I know in Europe the younger generation are just as obsessed with taking selfies as their US counterparts. Though the "planking" fad still hasn't taken off ...

Maybe its because the US is such a class-mobile society (not saying classless, just you can move between the classes easily)?
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Old 07-20-17, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by nycphotography View Post
speaking of bike lanes, this just in:

https://www.bikeforums.net/19729065-post8550.html

That is a bike lane with Chinese characteristics.

No way that exists in the U.S.A.

Don't worry, flying is still safer than cycling, for now.

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Old 07-20-17, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by nycphotography View Post
speaking of bike lanes, this just in:

https://www.bikeforums.net/19729065-post8550.html

I've always liked this bike lane in the Netherlands:
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Old 07-20-17, 09:51 PM
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two poitns of interest ... bike logo is a Dutch bike ... and ... I thought the Netherlands respected cyclists? Obviously they don't think we bathe enough.
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Old 07-23-17, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Not to my knowledge.

But being ignorant doesn't stop angry drivers from shouting nonsense at bystanders.

I'm usually like WHAT? and just chalk it up to whatever the heck it is that I wouldn't know. They look silly doing it.
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Originally Posted by prathmann View Post
I've always liked this bike lane in the Netherlands:

Don't go out a ridin' with lots of Grolsch on your mind...


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No, it's not just a US problem.
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Old 07-24-17, 05:13 AM
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Wasn't that in the US or was it in Canada?
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Wasn't that in the US or was it in Canada?
Canada
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I like how he's trying to slip the blackjack into a pocket claiming he was trying to walk away. lolz. what a au******.
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Old 07-24-17, 06:27 AM
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Wasn't that in the US or was it in Canada?
big pickup so maybe he drove it from the US.
or its in Alberta.
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Old 07-24-17, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by redfooj View Post
big pickup so maybe he drove it from the US.
or its in Alberta.
Doesn't apply to everyone but in my view, the IQ of the owner is often inversely proportional to the size of his pickup.
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