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What I learned today while cycling

Old 07-17-17, 05:53 PM
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What I learned today while cycling

So I was heading north on a 4 lane road (2 each way) and came up to a tractor trailer just as it was pulling away from a stop light. I decided to draft it since the road was smooth and no potholes. At one time i was maybe only 15' off the back and doing 35mph. After about 3/4 of a mile I looked up and almost crashed into the back. Luckily i knew the left lane was clear so i swung left and passed the truck.

The lesson learned is to make sure the brake lights work before drafting.
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Originally Posted by oldnslow2
So I was heading north on a 4 lane road (2 each way) and came up to a tractor trailer just as it was pulling away from a stop light. I decided to draft it since the road was smooth and no potholes. At one time i was maybe only 15' off the back and doing 35mph. After about 3/4 of a mile I looked up and almost crashed into the back. Luckily i knew the left lane was clear so i swung left and passed the truck.

The lesson learned is to make sure the brake lights work before drafting.
True or dont draft behind a tractor trailer
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Originally Posted by oldnslow2
So I was heading north on a 4 lane road (2 each way) and came up to a tractor trailer just as it was pulling away from a stop light. I decided to draft it since the road was smooth and no potholes. At one time i was maybe only 15' off the back and doing 35mph. After about 3/4 of a mile I looked up and almost crashed into the back. Luckily i knew the left lane was clear so i swung left and passed the truck.

The lesson learned is to make sure the brake lights work before drafting.
Did the truck make it massively easier to ride, like very noticeable?
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Make sure to make eye contact with the driver and that he/she seems OK with having you there.
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Can answer that for the OP.

Massively. If you google John Howard speed record you can see just how much difference a complete draft makes.
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Did that in my younger days. DO not do. Their brakes are better than yours. Anyway. The answer the question, yes it's massively easier....
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Proud to say I figured this out before needing to be taught a lesson.
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Glad it wasn't a lesson about when to replace a helmet.
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Sounds like a lesson about how to get KOMs
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Originally Posted by exmechanic89
Did the truck make it massively easier to ride, like very noticeable?
Yes... no way i can get anywhere near that speed on a flat road without help.
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Originally Posted by oldnslow2
Yes... no way i can get anywhere near that speed on a flat road without help.
I wonder how fast you could've gone if you had no worries about the truck stopping? 50-60mph maybe?
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Originally Posted by exmechanic89
I wonder how fast you could've gone if you had no worries about the truck stopping? 50-60mph maybe?
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Originally Posted by oldnslow2
I knew that was possible with a very strong rider, but was curious how fast an average recreational rider could go. The last part of that video btw is nuts, I cant believe how fast that guy is going!
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Originally Posted by oldnslow2
So I was heading north on a 4 lane road (2 each way) and came up to a tractor trailer just as it was pulling away from a stop light. I decided to draft it since the road was smooth and no potholes. At one time i was maybe only 15' off the back and doing 35mph. After about 3/4 of a mile I looked up and almost crashed into the back. Luckily i knew the left lane was clear so i swung left and passed the truck.

The lesson learned is to make sure the brake lights work before drafting.
When I draft (50 kph roads on my commute with a couple shipping companies near the end of it), I'm on the drops and staring at the lights the whole time, never do I look down.

Originally Posted by exmechanic89
Did the truck make it massively easier to ride, like very noticeable?
Way, way easier, especially if it is into a headwind. I lost a draft today though (usually it's not problem to keep behind as long as acceleration is steady) because of a cross wind and I was just too hot and tired to get on it enough.
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Originally Posted by exmechanic89
I knew that was possible with a very strong rider
The motor-paced land speed record is ~269kph.
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50 mph, easy. I drafted behind a truck in Mexico during a Rosarita-Ensenada ride in the late 1970s or early '80s. I'd lagged behind my group and wanted to catch up so I drafted a big truck for awhile. A sag wagon driver told me later we were doing at least 50.

Not my brightest move but I was in my 20s and felt invulnerable.
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After about 3/4 of a mile I looked up
Why were you looking down, Froome?
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Ironic song choice in that video, it may toll for him soon enough.
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Originally Posted by exmechanic89
Did the truck make it massively easier to ride, like very noticeable?


You get hooked into the draft a tractor trailer and it is massively easier.


I've got power files around where I drafted a truck. Typically takes over 1000 watts to catch it and hook on, depending on how fast its going, and how fast it accelerates.


Get in the draft, and now you often can do 40mph at around 200 watts.




Even on a TT bike in an extremely aero position 40mph takes a multiple of 200 watts.
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Not a tractor trailer, a pretty short clip, so not much time actually in the draft,


But you can see the watts were pegged above 600 ( max the guage was set for) catching the car, then drops dramatically, to even coasting.


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Originally Posted by Ald1
Did that in my younger days. DO not do. Their brakes are better than yours. Anyway. The answer the question, yes it's massively easier....




I've never seen a tractor trailer that could brake check me.


Typical Tractor Trailer takes over 100 yards 60 to zero. (In context, my 911 can do that in 93 feet).


Pretty certain I can go 60 to zero is less than a football field.


Admittedly drafting trucks is not the safest thing you can do. I try to stay on one side of the truck so I'm out just enough to see up the road, and anticipate what's coming. I've never come anywhere close to not being able to stop behind a truck.
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