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Any tubular wheelsets with Al rims???

Old 08-05-17, 09:09 AM
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Any tubular wheelsets with Al rims???

I'm thinking I will need to have a set built - but hoping an experienced company is still selling aluminum rim tubular wheels. A very quick search turned up nothing.

Any recommendations?
No deep dish - want it lightweight. For use with Campy cassette. Not 'old school' narrow. Silver rim would be nice.

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I don't know about pre-built wheels, but there are still plenty of rims out there. If not in current production, there's always new old stock.
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I have had a set built, but hoping for a slightly wider rim.

Pre-built from reputable company should result in 1 click purchase and DONE.
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Here you go, on sale too:

https://www.hedcycling.com/wheels/sale/
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If you get a set built up look fir Ambrosio Nemesis rims. After too many years of crappy Mavic rims I found the Ambrisios and they have been great.
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Thanks, @primov
Not a bad option = $900 wheelset.
Was hoping for silver and more than 20 spokes on front.
Wheelset weight = 1440g. Steel skewers are included with wheels, but must not be included in weight. By my standards, these are very light wheels.
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Did you check all the available options on that Hed page? These are 24 front, 28 rear, 1613 g, $675: https://www.hedcycling.com/ardennes-cl-tubular/
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Why do you want a wider rim? Except for being slightly more aero, width has no performance effect on a tubular wheelset. The tire shape is independent of the rim width.
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Some companies make a Carbon/Aluminum Composite.

Shimano Dura-Ace C24 Carbon Tubular Wheel - Big Ring Cycles | Golden, CO

It looks like they're almost giving those away

I saw some notes about Williams Tubular Rim Brake Cyclocross wheels, but perhaps they were old reports.

Velocity does list a 23mm tubular rim.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
Some companies make a Carbon/Aluminum Composite.

Shimano Dura-Ace C24 Carbon Tubular Wheel - Big Ring Cycles | Golden, CO

It looks like they're almost giving those away

I saw some notes about Williams Tubular Rim Brake Cyclocross wheels, but perhaps they were old reports.

Velocity does list a 23mm tubular rim.
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Dura Ace C24 tubular are full carbon. The image shown on the page linked is of the tubeless version (notice the valves).
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
Why do you want a wider rim? Except for being slightly more aero, width has no performance effect on a tubular wheelset. The tire shape is independent of the rim width.
Good question!
Isn't everyone going wider???
Actually, I have bumped my tire size to 28 on a bike. Even a 30mm is mounted on another. Call me stupid, but I have been drinking the marketing kool-aid that on these tires the aerodynamics & rolling resistance won't be negatively impacted by the slightly wider rim, and the gluing patch can only be a bit better on a 28/30 tire. Will it offer a better ride? I don't know, but it's worth a try at the right price given the glowing reviews.

Thanks for the input.
Shoulda checked the HED site more carefully. Will return there.

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Originally Posted by howheels View Post
Dura Ace C24 tubular are full carbon. The image shown on the page linked is of the tubeless version (notice the valves).
Ahh, heck,

The specs on that page listed Tubular + Aluminum, but they apparently are jumbling tubular and tubeless together

The Velocity rim above is tubular aluminum.
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
Good question!
Isn't everyone going wider???
Actually, I have bumped my tire size to 28 on a bike. Even a 30mm is mounted on another. Call me stupid, but I have been drinking the marketing kool-aid that on these tires the aerodynamics & rolling resistance won't be negatively impacted by the slightly wider rim, and the gluing patch can only be a bit better on a 28/30 tire. Will it offer a better ride? I don't know, but it's worth a try at the right price given the glowing reviews.

Thanks for the input.
Shoulda checked the HED site more carefully. Will return there.
Sure many folks are going wider, but the advantages they are seeking are specific to wider tires on any rim and wider clincher and tubelesss rims. As I said, rolling resistance will not be affected by the rim width on a tubular. The tire shape, height and width don't change with the rim width as they do on a clincher or tubeless setup. Also the sides of the tire will always be rounded and never merge in a straighter line into the rim wall as in the case of wider clincher rims. The narrow gluing patch is more than sufficient for any common width road tire. No reason not to get a wider tubular rim, but no reason to do it either.
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Ambrosio Cronos is what I use. But yeah, they're narrow.
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When I was looking HED and Velocity were all I came up with. Haven't bought but probably looking at a build using HED Belgium C2 rims.

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When I was looking HED and Velocity were all I came up with. Haven't bought but probably looking at a build using HED Belgium C2 rims.

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That's what my next set will be too.

Mavic still makes some though.
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Kinlin makes wide aluminum tubulars.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker View Post
Sure many folks are going wider, but the advantages they are seeking are specific to wider tires on any rim and wider clincher and tubelesss rims. As I said, rolling resistance will not be affected by the rim width on a tubular. The tire shape, height and width don't change with the rim width as they do on a clincher or tubeless setup. No reason not to get a wider tubular rim, but no reason to do it either.
Not debating just asking clarification? All rims = aluminum tubulars.
Going from Velocity Escape and Mavic Reflex which are 19mm wide (i thinks the Mavic is 19) to a HED at 22mm or Velocity Major Tom at 23, there will be no differences when riding a 28 or 30mm tire??? If not enough diff to be discernible, then 19mm older rims can be acquired very inexpensively for the patient person. Currently running 30s so the issue for me is not worrying the wide tire will just roll off a 19mm rim.
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The HED and Velocity rim is heavier by 100g. - than the Mavic Reflex.
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
Not debating just asking clarification? All rims = aluminum tubulars.
Going from Velocity Escape and Mavic Reflex which are 19mm wide (i thinks the Mavic is 19) to a HED at 22mm or Velocity Major Tom at 23, there will be no differences when riding a 28 or 30mm tire??? If not enough diff to be discernible, then 19mm older rims can be acquired very inexpensively for the patient person. Currently running 30s so the issue for me is not worrying the wide tire will just roll off a 19mm rim.
I can't see how there would be a difference. The tubular tire is a predetermined shape no matter what width rim it is glued to it...assuming the same radius glueing surface on the rim.
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Originally Posted by PepeM View Post
Kinlin makes wide aluminum tubulars.
And I do like the Kinlin products. If you don't mind the extra weight due to more width, no reason not to get the wider rims. Can't hurt. Just not necessary.
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We have our Black and Tan alloy tubular rims, and just got a shipment of the rim brake versions in.
However, it's a rim that is designed around larger tires (mainly used as a cross wheelset), so the minimum recommended tire size for those is 27mm.

However, those with a 30mm Challenge Strada Bianca would be a super sweet handling set!
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Mavic Reflex suck, believe me. Mavic used to make decent tubular rims but the past 10-15 years of Reflex are terrible. They will develop hairline cracks radiating out from the spoke holes parallel to the rim. After this happened on my third pair I went with Ambrosios.
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Originally Posted by coachboyd View Post
We have our Black and Tan alloy tubular rims, and just got a shipment of the rim brake versions in.
However, it's a rim that is designed around larger tires (mainly used as a cross wheelset), so the minimum recommended tire size for those is 27mm.

However, those with a 30mm Challenge Strada Bianca would be a super sweet handling set!
Visited the site and saw the B&T disc wheelset, but I don't want disc brakes.
Cyclocross rims are usually a bit heavy.


If the B&T rim brake version is sub-450g, could you please PM me the price? Also did not see width listed, assume 23 or 24mm. Prefer 28 or 32 spokes for my 200#.
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