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Beware the "SWAT" box.

Old 10-22-17, 09:27 AM
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Beware the "SWAT" box.

Had a flat yesterday, broke open the "SWAT" box that came with my Roubaix, dismounted the tire, pulled the tube, installed the new tube. Screwed the CO2 cart into the little pump head and.....nothing. I had to borrow a new cart and pump to get going again.

Word of warning: test that little pump before you need to rely on it. Mine simply didn't work.
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Old 10-22-17, 12:27 PM
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On mine you have to screw the CO2 in and then back it out to deflate. Took some fiddling the first time.
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Thanks for the info. Just got mine, will experiment.
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Originally Posted by pdoege View Post
On mine you have to screw the CO2 in and then back it out to deflate. Took some fiddling the first time.
Same with SWAT Mini head.

Those little things are pretty straightforward devices, but most all I've seen are kind of fussy to use, or at least unforgiving if you don't get it just so. Manufacturers push so hard to minaturize, they forget about usability.

I don't use one myself, but people in my club do, and I've volunteered my Lezyne Road Drive more than a couple of times when things went awry.

My gut says 4/5 failures are human error.
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(That should have read "back it out to INflate".)
(I blame autocorrect)
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Yeah, the SWAT mini head is just like the cheapest Lezyne head, the Twin Speed Drive-- thread the cart all the way in to pierce, then slightly back it out to initiate inflation. I do not like this design, and never will. The Lezyne Trigger Drive is where it's at. Small, light, works every single time.
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Originally Posted by pdoege View Post
(That should have read "back it out to INflate".)
(I blame autocorrect)
Yup, that's exactly what I tried. No dice. Nothing flowed.
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I had used mine successfully several times, but this last time, the oring rolled and started leaking. I tried to find orings to replace it, but it is an odd oring. I sent a note to Specialized customer care and asked them for a part number for the oring, but they offered to send a new one, and shipped for free. Pretty nice huh? I reinserted the old oring and decided that a little oring lube would help, and it did. So until the new one arrives.... I am buying another CO2 valve that I think will be my primary and just use the swat as a back up.
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Gotta love the simplicity and reliability of the old frame pumps. So glad all my rides still accept them. Like the Italian I took out today.



My last C02 pump failed when I flatted a month ago. Fortunately I always carry a frame pump too.
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I first saw one of the boxes this weekend. Cute!
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Originally Posted by jamesdak View Post
Gotta love the simplicity and reliability of the old frame pumps. So glad all my rides still accept them. Like the Italian I took out today.

My last C02 pump failed when I flatted a month ago. Fortunately I always carry a frame pump too.
My paranoia has returned. I'm back to a frame pump, a very light one, and the tools in a tail bag. The SWAT box is on the shelf. The little pump has never failed and never runs out of air. Yes, it takes a few pumps to get up to pressure, but I can deal with that. Also, it can produce a higher pressure than any CO2 pump.
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BTW, I still have a frame pump from a bike a while ago, but it'll never fit my current bike. But damn, those things work great.
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I carved out the edges of the CO2 inflator slot in my SWAT box in order to allow a PDW Tiny Object to fit. This product is a good design. My LBS allowed me a very small credit for not taking the SWAT inflator with me; they would have pay me quite a bit to carry the stock design.
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope View Post
Yeah, the SWAT mini head is just like the cheapest Lezyne head, the Twin Speed Drive-- thread the cart all the way in to pierce, then slightly back it out to initiate inflation. I do not like this design, and never will. The Lezyne Trigger Drive is where it's at. Small, light, works every single time.
My trigger drive failed me on the trail. It stuck open, then the o-ring came out and got lost. Lucky I had a hand pump. Tossed the trigger.

Thanks for the heads up on the specialized head, I hadn't checked it out yet. Sounds like it may be reliable at least.
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Any chance you tried to use it with a used (i.e., empty) cartridge? At the risk of embarrassing myself, once upon a time I tried to inflate a tire with one. Best I could figure is that I flatted during a previous ride, used the cartridge, tossed it back in my saddle bag and forgot about it. Good thing I had a second one.
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The Silca Eolo 3 CO2 head is engineered to avoid so many of the travails reported here, and is definitely worth looking at if you're going to be using a mini CO2 head. Here's a detailed look from PEZ:

Silca?s Eolo III Co2 Head: Instant Classic - PezCycling News
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