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Old 12-06-17, 09:19 PM   #6726
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That's why I have one. Every other car I have owned that had racing potential eventually morphed into a purpose-built, weight-weenied, stripped-down race car. The Stealth is too heavy and there's no way to get the weight out enough to make it a legit race car. So I'm keeping it streetable, and I get to keep my marriage.


OK, Corvette war story. Helmets on everyone!


My turbo sponsor back in the day was Forced Performance, from Texas. Great group of guys; love them to death. Every once and a while, a new turbo would show up and I'd try it out and give R&D feedback.


Well one problem I had was that success in my racing series didn't translate into turbo sales - it made for way better turbos, but "DG uses this!" didn't carry the water you'd otherwise hope. The market was very sensitive to 1/4 mile drag times "This turbo runs 12s" etc - so one of the things I had to do was put a drag time on any new turbo.


Two hours down the road from me was a hole-in-the-wall dragstrip that had a super-sticky start line and it was really flat and smooth. That track was usually good for a tenth or 2 compared to closer tracks (which were sandy and uphill) so when a new turbo showed up, I went out there for a Saturday Test'n'Tune session - run all the passes you want, but no prizes or whatnot. The idea was to spend the morning dialing in the electronic engine management system to adapt to the new turbo, and once I had it sussed out, the gloves would come off and we'd put down a number.


So we pull into our paddock spot, and next to me is another trailered car - a brand new C5 Corvette. Crew of 2 dudes: one guy the mechanic, the other guy the car owner/driver. Mechanic is dressed like a mechanic; driver is dressed in designer chinos, mirrorshades, no-**** string-backed leather driving gloves... like the poster child for 1985 Preppie ******nozzle. And he is *berating the hell* out of his mechanic. Treating him like a rented mule. And the mechanic is scurrying and all "Yes Boss!".


I got a quick glimpse under the hood, and I saw headers and an aftermarket air filter, so the car had some work done to it, but I had stuff to do and I wasn't interested in interacting with Chad Douchnozzle so I got to unloading my own car and getting ready.


So the morning goes well, I don't break anything, and I'm pretty happy about my state of tune. Oddly for a Test'n"Tune, the stands are *packed* with random spectators, some of whom have been chirping my riceburner that's all stickered out and whatnot. I haven't done a full-up pass yet as I've been tuning, so I haven't really showed my cards.


Time to make a number. So I pull into my lane and get ready for a run.


Now if you've never been drag racing before, the light tree has a set of lights on the top connected to a pair of beams that cross the track near the start line. The first lights "Pre-Stage" means "you are close to the start" and the second lights "Stage" mean "stop here". Both cars pull forward until the stage lights are on, the starter makes sure both cars are ready, and then he triggers the tree to start the race.


My car had a special feature called "two step rev limiter launch control". What this means is that the engine management system knows when the clutch is in. With the clutch pushed down, it lowers the rev limiter to a user-controlled value; with the clutch out, it raises the rev limiter to "as fast as you can spin it without blowing the engine". The idea is you light the Stage light, then push both the clutch *and the gas* flat to the floor. The 2-step keeps the engine at launch RPM, and as an added bonus, the turbo builds boost (I'd see 12-14 PSI on a 22 PSI turbo) so you make more power at launch. The downside is that while it is operating, it's like sitting inside a machine gun, and it is a little hard on the engine.


So I roll up, light the Pre-Stage and Stage lights, push in the clutch, and floor the accelerator. The guy next to me lights the Pre-Stage lights...


...and sits...


...and sits...


...and sits...


and I finally look over at his lane to see what is taking him so long to stage, and I look *directly into the mirrorshades of Chad Douchnozzle* because he is *staring right at me* - and I suddenly realize that he is trying to "burn me down".


"Burning someone down" is a racing technique you can use on someone who has a launch control or a trans brake or a similar device that works like my launch control. The idea is you make him sit there popping and banging until either his engine blows up or he backs off. You then immediately stage, and there's a pretty good chance he won't be able to get loaded up again before the starter drops the lights. It's a legit technique, but as the Bird People say, "It's a dick move" so it isn't done very often. And at a Test'n'Tune? NEVER. Because we aren't "racing"; we just happen to be running at the same time.


So I roll my eyes and back out of the launch control, he immediately stages, and as soon as the light flickers the starter drops the lights because he's tired of this ****. Chad roars off, and I let him go, because I don't care about Chad, I'm trying to put down a number. I come back up on the launch control, let the boost stabilize, and let rip.


When I launch, he has about 1/3 of a track head start...


...and I run him down at about the 1100' mark.


My wife said that when the win light came on in my lane and the crowd saw my number, the stands just *erupted*. I didn't see that part. When I got the timeslip, I was happy with the number, so I pulled up to our trailer. Chad followed, got out of his car - and ran over and started SCREAMING at his mechanic. Just completely LOSING HIS **** because this stickered-out 4-banger riceburner had handed him his hat even after the giant head start and his flawless driving.


(Never mind that I made more power, had 4 wheels to put it down with, and weighed 1000lbs less than he did. Which he never found out. Because he never said a word to me.)


So I loaded up the car, signed a couple of autographs for people who figured out who I was, and went home, mission accomplished.


I sure hope that mechanic found a better job.
I jumped out if my recliner to cheer.
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The race car would do 0-60 in 3.2 and pull 1.7 lateral G (instant - 1.3 sustained) and do an 11 second quarter mile. It'd drope the hamer on your 'Vette.

Although I have to admit that the Corvette is a performance bargain. It's the cheapest way to go stupid fast.

I have this apart in my shop right now:

Yeah but the best thing about FB trash talk is you never have to back it up.

0-60 times and skidpad numbers are stats that don't always necessarily translate into a car that's faster on a track. You'd have to hand them off to some race car driver and see how fast each car could lap a track like Laguna Seca. Despite that race car's impressive numbers, the Stingray might still be faster on a track, the C7 has proven to be kind of amazingly fast around a race course, you can look it up.
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Who can argue with this?

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Good point, tinkling implies urinating on the keyboard, that was not the plan.
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Lots of interesting rides on https://www.nzcycletrail.com/

The Central Otago Rail Trail is a wonderful ride.

Riding down the West Coast of the South Island would be interesting although there aren't that many off-road areas.

I don't know what the riding in the North Island is like with the exception of in Hawkes Bay. Hawkes Bay is nice.
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Yeah but the best thing about FB trash talk is you never have to back it up.

0-60 times and skidpad numbers are stats that don't always necessarily translate into a car that's faster on a track. You'd have to hand them off to some race car driver and see how fast each car could lap a track like Laguna Seca. Despite that race car's impressive numbers, the Stingray might still be faster on a track, the C7 has proven to be kind of amazingly fast around a race course, you can look it up.
Heh. I finished out my racing career as the engineer for a Corvette team (C5). I know C5s inside and out. Pratt & Miller's shop was just down the road, and I used to raid their old spares & takeoffs for our team. I still have Solidworks files for things like suspension pickup points, adapters to mount AP Brakes master cylinders to the OEM pedal box - stuff like that.

And I absolutely concur that the C5-C6-C7 series are *very* well designed and are *far* faster for the price than they should be. I get asked for a lot of car advice, and most any kid that comes to me with plans to hotrod his [whatever] I tell to buy a Corvette instead - he'll go faster and it is ultimately cheaper in the long run.

But my Talon was a horse of an entirely different colour. That thing was pretty much a Group B rally car (it should be - that's what I was modelling it on). In 2005 it was more than a match for a C5 Z06. In 2017... it would be underpowered compared to some of the more exotic C7s, but that problem would be rectified with a turbo and a new set of fuel injectors. That car was a BEAST.

Like those lateral G numbers - those aren't skidpad numbers. Those are live numbers taken from the data system from recordings during races.


The Stealth, once I'm done, will make ~450 HP at the wheels. But it will still be 3700 lbs, McStrut suspension, and nose-heavy. It'll compare well to non-Zo6 C5, and will have better all-weather performance, but it won't be C7 territory. The bones of the chassis just aren't there - which is kind of the point, because if the bones *were* there, I'd be tempted to try, and here we go again....
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Heh. I finished out my racing career as the engineer for a Corvette team (C5). I know C5s inside and out. Pratt & Miller's shop was just down the road, and I used to raid their old spares & takeoffs for our team. I still have Solidworks files for things like suspension pickup points, adapters to mount AP Brakes master cylinders to the OEM pedal box - stuff like that.

And I absolutely concur that the C5-C6-C7 series are *very* well designed and are *far* faster for the price than they should be. I get asked for a lot of car advice, and most any kid that comes to me with plans to hotrod his [whatever] I tell to buy a Corvette instead - he'll go faster and it is ultimately cheaper in the long run.

But my Talon was a horse of an entirely different colour. That thing was pretty much a Group B rally car (it should be - that's what I was modelling it on). In 2005 it was more than a match for a C5 Z06. In 2017... it would be underpowered compared to some of the more exotic C7s, but that problem would be rectified with a turbo and a new set of fuel injectors. That car was a BEAST.

Like those lateral G numbers - those aren't skidpad numbers. Those are live numbers taken from the data system from recordings during races.


The Stealth, once I'm done, will make ~450 HP at the wheels. But it will still be 3700 lbs, McStrut suspension, and nose-heavy. It'll compare well to non-Zo6 C5, and will have better all-weather performance, but it won't be C7 territory. The bones of the chassis just aren't there - which is kind of the point, because if the bones *were* there, I'd be tempted to try, and here we go again....

WHAAAAATTTTever. Tech talk is just fancier trash talk, just give the cars to a good driver, grab a stopwatch and in short order you'll know. What strikes me about all those C7 times at tracks like Laguna Seca and Virginia International Raceway is that with the C7 (Z51 trim through Grand Sport and Z06) many of the cars that the C7 edged were faster on paper - i.e., more hp, very fast 1/4 mile times, etc. But on a track the cornering capability of the car mitigates all that in favor of a better handling car (cornering g's are just one metric, not a tell-all) and I don't think you'll know until you DRIVE THE CARS back to back and clock them.
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Btw. The W.V. rode much more quietly and smoothly after the cleaning of the drive train and the removal of the bearing cage pieces from the bb.
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I don't consider anything with an ahead style headset as old-timey but hey, that's just my criteria.
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