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Old 12-04-17, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Abe_Froman View Post
Hrmm interesting...you can use zwift with just a power meter? I have a cheap/dumb wheel on trainer, and have been thinking about getting a powet meter.

Would I need anything else?
I’ve been Zwifting with some cheap Travel Trac rollers from Performance, a 4iiii Viiiiva HRM to serve as a ANT+ to Bluetooth Bridge and a Watteam PowerBeat power meter since the iOS version came out.

Only problem I have is not enough resistance on the rollers. I top out (cadence limit) at about 400w on the rollers. But on a turbo, I suspect it would work just fine. Well, that and getting Bluetooth to connect can sometimes be an issue, but that’s kinda a side issue.

Technically, if you have a good compatible turbo trainer, you can do a “spin down” test and it will estimate your power. All you need is a speed sensor assuming it will connect to your computer/tablet/phone. Most of those are fluid trainers that are very consistent on the resistance. I picked a compatible trainer up for my wife for $75 on Craig’s List last week.

Oh, and are you THE Abe Froman? The sausage king of Chicago?
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Originally Posted by pesty View Post
I’ve been Zwifting with some cheap Travel Trac rollers from Performance, a 4iiii Viiiiva HRM to serve as a ANT+ to Bluetooth Bridge and a Watteam PowerBeat power meter since the iOS version came out.

Only problem I have is not enough resistance on the rollers. I top out (cadence limit) at about 400w on the rollers. But on a turbo, I suspect it would work just fine. Well, that and getting Bluetooth to connect can sometimes be an issue, but that’s kinda a side issue.

Technically, if you have a good compatible turbo trainer, you can do a “spin down” test and it will estimate your power. All you need is a speed sensor assuming it will connect to your computer/tablet/phone. Most of those are fluid trainers that are very consistent on the resistance. I picked a compatible trainer up for my wife for $75 on Craig’s List last week.

Oh, and are you THE Abe Froman? The sausage king of Chicago?
Thanks.

And yea, yiu got the right Abe Froman
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Old 12-04-17, 09:42 PM
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Bought the Kinetic Rock and Roll Smart Control on Cyber Monday, should be arriving soon. Looking forward to getting a great workout on it. Zwift, TrainerRoad and Kinomap are my apps of interest and what my friends have been using. Getting nippy this time of year and night riding has been less appealing as such, so just what i need for a few midweek workouts leading up to my my weekend group rides.
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Old 12-05-17, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by pesty View Post
I’ve been Zwifting with some cheap Travel Trac rollers from Performance, a 4iiii Viiiiva HRM to serve as a ANT+ to Bluetooth Bridge and a Watteam PowerBeat power meter since the iOS version came out.

Only problem I have is not enough resistance on the rollers. I top out (cadence limit) at about 400w on the rollers. But on a turbo, I suspect it would work just fine. Well, that and getting Bluetooth to connect can sometimes be an issue, but that’s kinda a side issue.
You can add more resistance to the rollers in the fashion that the video below shows with magnets. I've done it and it does help.

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Old 12-05-17, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by mvnsnd View Post
You can add more resistance to the rollers in the fashion that the video below shows with magnets. I've done it and it does help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGMh7y2fEOE
Yea, I’ve done similar with a magnetic broom and was able to get another 200-300w if resistance, but noting permanent in place.
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Old 12-05-17, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by firebird854 View Post
I personally bought a Magnus 2 months ago and have been using the heck out of it. One piece of advice that no one ever told me, and I only found out after melting a tire, CALIBRATE BEFORE EVERY RIDE. None of the documentation says this, Zwift doesn't say this, but it is imperative in order to have accurate readings and a fun time. Also, I prefer trainerroad over zwift, but that's just me, especially since zwift just raised their price from $10 a month to $15 dollars a month.
How are you calibrating your trainer through Zwift? My Magnus isn't supported through the Zwift Calibration system yet. Are you going into Rouvy first each time?
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Old 12-06-17, 05:21 PM
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I would recommend the Kickr snap. I use it via blue tooth to my IPad Pro. An awesome setup. Zwift is a real game changer. It has increased my speeds 1.5 to 2 mph in just one season. I average 200-250 miles a week and love every one of them. The days of riding in rain or in winter cold are over. Zwift is a real joy. I would not get the rock and roll. The motion becomes a distraction and there are problems with the welds breaking.
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Old 12-07-17, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by motosonic View Post
How are you calibrating your trainer through Zwift? My Magnus isn't supported through the Zwift Calibration system yet. Are you going into Rouvy first each time?
I calibrate using the Rouvy app first each time and then switch over to Zwift and all is good. I have a Magnus as well.
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Old 12-08-17, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by surgeonstone View Post
I would recommend the Kickr snap. I use it via blue tooth to my IPad Pro. An awesome setup. Zwift is a real game changer. It has increased my speeds 1.5 to 2 mph in just one season. I average 200-250 miles a week and love every one of them. The days of riding in rain or in winter cold are over. Zwift is a real joy. I would not get the rock and roll. The motion becomes a distraction and there are problems with the welds breaking.
I hate trainers. At 30 minutes I am bored, at 45 minutes I am ready to kill myself.
Zwift has changed and a smart trainer has now changed that. I spent an hour riding last night before I realized how long I had been on the trainer. I work 12 hour shifts and don't have two hours to spend on the road. I do have an hour or so for the trainer.
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Old 12-13-17, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by turkey9186 View Post
I hate trainers. At 30 minutes I am bored, at 45 minutes I am ready to kill myself.
Zwift has changed and a smart trainer has now changed that. I spent an hour riding last night before I realized how long I had been on the trainer. I work 12 hour shifts and don't have two hours to spend on the road. I do have an hour or so for the trainer.
Right there with you. I've been on Zwift for the last week or so because I've got a cold and I don't want to make it worse by riding outside in the 30s-40s (already done that once this month). I'm bored off my ass riding indoors. I'm to the point that I'll turn on Zwift, start riding, and just start watching Netflix. Still bored off my ass, but at least now I'm getting caught up on The Punisher.
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Old 12-13-17, 02:49 PM
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The biggest being to use the big gear and a smaller sprocket in ERG mode....helps avoid the death spiral :-)
I got mine a couple of weeks ago. What is this death spiral you speak of?
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Old 12-13-17, 03:53 PM
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I ordered an Elite Smart roller last week, was on sale for around $450.
Can't wait to try it out on Zwift.
Elite Arion Digital Smart B+ Rollers review - BikeRadar USA
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Old 12-13-17, 06:28 PM
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Every time I read a thread like this I start changing my mind again on a smart trainer vs. a power meter. I'm using Zwift now with my Fluid 2 trainer and sensors for virtual power and I want to feel the effort change instead of having to spin the wheel faster to hit a target A power meter won't change that, except to be much more accurate. What a power meter will do though is work outside so I can do drills outdoors. And of course having that info will change the way I do my long rides. Maybe the 24mph that I'm doing is deceiving and that I'm on a slight downhill (yes in one case I found out).
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Old 12-13-17, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by zacster View Post
Every time I read a thread like this I start changing my mind again on a smart trainer vs. a power meter. I'm using Zwift now with my Fluid 2 trainer and sensors for virtual power and I want to feel the effort change instead of having to spin the wheel faster to hit a target A power meter won't change that, except to be much more accurate. What a power meter will do though is work outside so I can do drills outdoors. And of course having that info will change the way I do my long rides. Maybe the 24mph that I'm doing is deceiving and that I'm on a slight downhill (yes in one case I found out).
Tough call. I have a smart trainer but no power meter. The change in resistance is pretty cool but IMO not worth paying $500+.
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I have the Kinetic with the inride smart power sensor. I bought the Kinetic used on craigslist and it's been great.


One of my friends has the same setup. He also has a power meter on his bike. He told me that when he compared the virtual power numbers on Zwift with the power meter numbers on his bike, the Zwift numbers tended to be about 15-20% high.


But either way, the extra training time is great. And it's a lot of fun getting on there when the roads are busy with other riders.
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Tough call. I have a smart trainer but no power meter. The change in resistance is pretty cool but IMO not worth paying $500+.
I'm not really sure it is as it depends on ones needs/wants. I went dumb trainer/dumb trainer with a power meter/smart trainer.

If you want power on the road, then by all means get the on-bike power meter. If you want the more realistic road feeling on Zwift, get the smart trainer. It is much different feeling the inclines with the smart trainer over using a high gear with the dumb trainer. The one nice thing of a dumb trainer over the smart trainer is being able to hold a steady power number over any incline/decline, whereas the smart trainer will change resistance, so to put in a steady effort, you really have to have a custom workout that keeps the power steady for the time you want.

I probably won't go back to the dumb trainer again.
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Originally Posted by Square Wheels View Post
I got mine a couple of weeks ago. What is this death spiral you speak of?
In ERG mode, when your cadence drops, it will increase power and you will have trouble getting on top of the gear. It gets to the point where you can no longer pedal.
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Originally Posted by 99Klein View Post
In ERG mode, when your cadence drops, it will increase power and you will have trouble getting on top of the gear. It gets to the point where you can no longer pedal.
I've noticed that. So, keeping it in the 50 / 11 combo will reduce that problem?
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It will help as the faster flywheel speed carries more momentum. Check out Shane at the daily lama.
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Posted my early impressions of the Kinetic Rock and Roll Smart Control here, so far very happy with it and have been sweating buckets:

Kinetic Rock and Roll Smart Control impressions...
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I went with a Fluid2 (dumb) & Stages power meter combo for about $650 via Craigslist/eBay and I'm 4 days into riding on Zwift with the combo. So pretty happy with it, I feel that I'm getting a good work out and the mechanics in Zwift have been enough motivation for me to ensure that I'm in the hardest gear I can handle and I stay with the guy ahead of me. In a 50/11 combo at 250w+ for any sustained amount of time is plenty challenging for my current level of fitness.
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Check out the Elite Qubo Smart Trainer on Nashbar, some of the drawbacks that I have is that it being magnetic, it is weight-bearing so you lose traction when you stand up. Upsides are it having a free one-year subscription to Elite training app (zwift alternative) and the price point. Nashbar also has a lifetime guarantee on their products and you don't get charged for tax.

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