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Originally Posted by Bassmanbob
(Post 20037497)
I am a member of TCCA,..............I'm already signed up for the two day option of the Cross Florida Ride. I'm not fast enough to get 168 miles done in 12 - 13 hours as required. I actually tried to do the math earlier this week to include 17mph for the first 120 miles with 15 minute rests every two hours and a 25 minute rest at 120 miles. Then 15 mph up and down the hills for the next 30 miles with another 15 minute rest, and 13 mph (tired) for the last 20 miles. It gets me to the finish line in about 12 hours. That's if I have no flats or other mechanical issues and my bowels don't require much attention. My plan is to do the Cross Florida Ride in one day 2019.
As for the X-FL ride, the game to play is drafting. I wouldn't be surprised if you could prepare and ride it in 1 day next year. I had my 1983 Paramount with upright bars this year for X-FL and hooked on to the TCCA group drafting them and taking an occasional pull. They were friendly and rode like a well oiled machine operates. First stop at HH there was a group of TCCA riders and am now wondering if you were there? If so, I was the guy who rode up on the red 2018 Roubaix and asked if the group would be riding X-FL next year and mentioned that I was the guy on the blue Paramount who hung on with them this past year. Put on the miles and think about the 1 day X-FL for April. |
Originally Posted by njkayaker
(Post 20037023)
:rolleyes:
Your "explanation" doesn't make sense. The fact that the speed is different means they aren't equally "easy". Most people used to riding on the flats are going to find a hilly ride significantly harder. |
Originally Posted by Bassmanbob
(Post 20037506)
There were a couple of posts about speed. Speed is something I need to continue to work on. As a slow rider, it's not fun to do a century riding by yourself. I did that once, during my second century attempt and didn't finish due to heat exhaustion. But I was riding by myself for about 65 miles before I tanked.
https://results.chronotrack.com/even...nt/event-30333 |
Originally Posted by Sy Reene
(Post 20038211)
Take a look at the GFNY results page.. Skip to last page; I don't think you'd be close to finding yourself alone.
https://results.chronotrack.com/even...nt/event-30333 |
Originally Posted by kbarch
(Post 20037750)
And then there are those (like me) who find flat rides significantly harder. We'll I think I would, anyhow. Never did a real sportive type ride that was flat, but one of the toughest rides I ever did was also one of the flattest. It was all the stopping and starting that got to me. The main reason I think I'd find flatter sportives harder is because, although I rarely worry about getting dropped on hills (unless I burnt all my matches before everyone else did), I often worry about getting dropped on flats; among other things, I have a bad habit of letting gaps grow. :o
You also provided an explanation of why the typical/general case didn't apply to you. While what you said here might not be useful to the OP, at least you provide enough information to make that determination. The NYGF used to time the climbs, which likely caused many people to "burn matches" on the climbs. |
Originally Posted by Bassmanbob
(Post 20037506)
There were a couple of posts about speed. Speed is something I need to continue to work on. As a slow rider, it's not fun to do a century riding by yourself. I did that once, during my second century attempt and didn't finish due to heat exhaustion. But I was riding by myself for about 65 miles before I tanked.
The reason I asked about speed was to get a rough idea of your riding ability. If you did the 4500' century at 10 mph and it was hard, you should probably avoid doing the NYGF. Note that one way of compensating being "slow" is to spend less time at stops. |
Originally Posted by DrIsotope
(Post 20038433)
I don't know which I find more striking: the fact that 105 people did it in less than 5 hours, or the fact that 67 people took more than 10 hours. I could personally do neither--..
Originally Posted by DrIsotope
(Post 20038433)
...I'd be somewhere in the middle of the bell curve.
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Originally Posted by WNCGoater
(Post 20037004)
I pretty much explained where I stood on that statement at the bottom of page two, yet you still seem confused and continue to quote that even though I have made it clear, speed isn't on my radar in the context of a century. Additionally, the OP didn't ask about speed, yet the discussion has switched from elevation gain to speed and you are using a one sentence quote from my original post, which had nothing to do with speed, in the context of a discussion about speed. :foo:
But hey, whatever, knock yerself out!:thumb: SMH and moving on... |
Originally Posted by nycphotography
(Post 20036644)
Also, beware of counting the accumulated ups and downs of a rolling ride. Many of those rollers are tackled with momentum for the first part, and a little burst up and over the rest, and your threshold power is no where near limiting your effort, and you aren't sustaining it long enough to burn matches / hurt your legs.
You can climb like 5-7 minutes well above threshold. If that gets you over the top and staying with a group you can benefit from on the descent and flats, then it's probably worth burning a match. But much beyond that 5-7 minutes you'll pop, have to recover, and the rest of the climb will give back whatever time you made on that initial attack (and then some). But worse, you'll have burned a match for no gain!!! This is the real killer of climbs longer than 5-7 minutes. If you don't pace yourself, you're burning matches for no gain. |
Perhaps I was unclear, but the 5-7 minute over threshold, definitely burn matches.
The first pp is about little rollers... 30 seconds to a minute. Tops. I think we are agreeing here. |
Originally Posted by OldTryGuy
(Post 20037690)
Good deal being a member. :thumb:
As for the X-FL ride, the game to play is drafting. I wouldn't be surprised if you could prepare and ride it in 1 day next year. I had my 1983 Paramount with upright bars this year for X-FL and hooked on to the TCCA group drafting them and taking an occasional pull. They were friendly and rode like a well oiled machine operates. First stop at HH there was a group of TCCA riders and am now wondering if you were there? If so, I was the guy who rode up on the red 2018 Roubaix and asked if the group would be riding X-FL next year and mentioned that I was the guy on the blue Paramount who hung on with them this past year. Put on the miles and think about the 1 day X-FL for April. I think you are right, that I could prepare for the CFR in one day, but I don't want to pressure myself to do it. I trained pretty hard for the HH, which cost time away from my wife and my business. I need to catch up on those two fronts. I was not with the TCCA group at the HH; they are too fast for me. But yes, it is a really nice group of people who encourage me to keep improving. I was entering the extra loop (for the century course) as they were exiting that section. As we crossed paths, I yelled and waved. |
Momentum is not much help in gaining elevation. 20 mph worth of kinetic energy will only convert to about 16 feet elevation.. Meaning, a 20 mph speed reduction can be converted to 16 feet elevation gain.
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Originally Posted by Bassmanbob
(Post 20039559)
....... cost time away from my wife and my business. I need to catch up on those two fronts..........
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