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Old 01-13-18, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by trainsktg View Post
That's a great point and one I had considered, but I have three bikes running Shimano 50-34 cranks that I regularly swap one crank-mounted power meter between. Had I changed to a mountain crank on the TCR, I would have had to buy another power meter exclusive to it, so the rear cassette change on one bike was the much more economical solution for me.

Edit: Make that four that I swap the power meter between...the fourth being a gravel bike running a compatible 46-34 up front and 11-34 in the rear. Not quite as low a gear as the TCR, and definitely noticeable when the grade pitches up, but I probably will leave it as-is.

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In general, swapping cranks is more hassle and more expense than a pie plate. I think thats the reason for the pie plate movement. If shimano ect. had 30-46, or other sub compact combinations, readily available, Im sure more would go that route.
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If you 190lb and are comfortable pushing 300w they must be some steep long hills if you can't manage over 60rpm with a 28.
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I use a RoadLink. 42T on the back. Really helps in the Sierras and the steeper climbs in the Santa Cruz mountains. Especially so on hard century where my legs are going to be fried after 5 hours anyway.

I'm old and not slender. I have gotten comments from the younger and faster set as they slowly pass me. Normally because I am the only one sitting down on those climbs.
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Originally Posted by woodcraft View Post
I got an 11/32 cassette & RD extender to get extra gears over 11/28.

Am I a wuss?

Anticipating some big climbs this year, but embarrassed.
well if your race opponent climbs like Museeuw, in the big ring, you will get the Lanterne Rouge.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanterne_rouge
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As with so many things .... what matters is unique to each of us.

Some folks might sacrifice some of the joy of the ride to put on a front for their fellow riders---and in the overall, this might be better for them. Some might go to a pie-plate/wolftooth and not care how they look. Some might work much harder and develop added capacity. Some might not want to. Some might not be able to.

What's "right" is what you think is "right." I say, go for the 40 ro the 42 and smile more. Chances are, you will be working plenty hard anyway.

For the guys who ride 53/42 with a 11-23 ... good for you, too. What do I care what gearing some other guy rides?

I live in Flatahoma and I am Glad for 34x28 ... and I have another bike with 34x32, and an extras 11-32 for the other just in case. If I regularly saw an incline over six percent .... I bet I'd go 11-36 without a second thought. if that didn't cut it .... keep your mouths closed, wolves, the fat cyclingn dentist is coming.
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I'd never install one on any of my bikes because I buy bikes that have appropriate gearing for my level of fitness and how I plan to use the bike. Installing a wolftooth roadlink just means you accidentally bought the wrong bike. No biggie. Cheap and easy fix compared to buying a new bike.
$20 to make a CX race bike into a steep climb gravel bike is more cost and space conserving than another bike. Hell if it shifts ok with my 11-28 on it i'll just leave it on for both things
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$20 to make a CX race bike into a steep climb gravel bike is more cost and space conserving than another bike. Hell if it shifts ok with my 11-28 on it i'll just leave it on for both things
Just don't tell my wife about that trick. As far as she knows, different gearing means I need another bike.
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In general, swapping cranks is more hassle and more expense than a pie plate. I think thats the reason for the pie plate movement. If shimano ect. had 30-46, or other sub compact combinations, readily available, Im sure more would go that route.
It's certainly the case that it's way easier to swap out cassettes than cranks for individual rides.

But a lot of people have aspirational gearing rather than gearing optimized to the way they actually ride. Those folks would benefit from better ring combos. Then, the right cassettes would be even more useful.
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It's certainly the case that it's way easier to swap out cassettes than cranks for individual rides.

But a lot of people have aspirational gearing rather than gearing optimized to the way they actually ride. Those folks would benefit from better ring combos. Then, the right cassettes would be even more useful.
Well...integrated-spindle-cranksets has made it simple/stupid to swap cranksets. Everyone carries a hex key, how many lug around a cassette tool?


I for one would be ecstatic if Shimano released a 46/30 Hollowtech2
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I for one would be ecstatic if Shimano released a 46/30 Hollowtech2
Sugino OX cranks are compatible with HT BB's and come in a 46/30
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Sugino OX cranks are compatible with HT BB's and come in a 46/30
They do...OTOH they cost twice as much, and are much harder to source (either the cranks or the rings) anywhere except Japan.
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Just don't tell my wife about that trick. As far as she knows, different gearing means I need another bike.
My GF has 2-3 more bikes than I do and is still sad I upgraded my CX bike and she hasn't yet.
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Preliminary report:

Shifting better than expected, although one chain drop while shifting over some rough pavement.

I did laps on a climb 60 miles, 10,700'. Not much above 10%, so I used the 32 here & there.

It gives an extra gear in the big ring, which is nice (if noisy) for getting over short rises.

I don't think I'll turn into a spinning climber- 60-70 rpm is OK- so it's mainly a bail-out gear.

We'll see if the bigger gaps detract from fast group rides.

I use a 48/34 chainring set which I'm pretty happy with- fewer front shifts, & 35 mph plus w/out excessive cadence.
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No Wuss here. Up until I was 69, 2 years ago, I rode with a 34x26 and 39x26 (on my Campy). Last year, upgraded all my bikes to 34x32, except my Concorde (Campy) and that is 39x30 now. Just added a 13-34 to my Ciocc , now that's my climbing bike for the season. So, with age, gears get lower . KB
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Originally Posted by kingston View Post
Sugino OX cranks are compatible with HT BB's and come in a 46/30
Beautiful cranks, i almost convinced myself to buy one for a new build this winter, but i couldnt do it. The costs are just absurd and the total lack of product info differentiation(even in emails with Sugino) helped me decide to get a 48/32 praxis zayante instead.
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Beautiful cranks, i almost convinced myself to buy one for a new build this winter, but i couldnt do it. The costs are just absurd and the total lack of product info differentiation(even in emails with Sugino) helped me decide to get a 48/32 praxis zayante instead.
Praxis comes so close....but a 48 is too high for my 700x43+ tires...and a 32 ain't low enough.
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I'd never install one on any of my bikes because I buy bikes that have appropriate gearing for my level of fitness and how I plan to use the bike. Installing a wolftooth roadlink just means you accidentally bought the wrong bike. No biggie. Cheap and easy fix compared to buying a new bike.
I have a wolftooth on my gravel bike because shimano 11 speed road drivetrains dont allow for the gearing i want and to use an 11sp mtb rd to get the gearing i want, id have to use a tanpan which is just another workaround and more expensive.

If shimano would make affordable 46/30 cranks, it would reduce the need for workarounds like the roadlink.
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Praxis comes so close....but a 48 is too high for my 700x43+ tires...and a 32 ain't low enough.
Im guessing you are referencing your mixed surface bike(43mm tire).
The zayante, for me, is for a paved road bike.
48t is more than i need for gravel, but i like it for paved roads. I dont pretend that i spin out on 48/11 and when i do, i am already going so dast i should just coast.
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Yeah its the Wolftooth.

A 10% grade seems to be where things start to fall apart if I'm running 34-32, so having the 36 and 40 in the rear keeps me going longer. FTP tested out at 307 a few weeks ago, so roughly 3.5 w/kg. 20 minute power is 323.

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If I were putting out 3.5 per kg, I would probably stick to my current gearing :-)
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
As with so many things .... what matters is unique to each of us.

Some folks might sacrifice some of the joy of the ride to put on a front for their fellow riders---and in the overall, this might be better for them. Some might go to a pie-plate/wolftooth and not care how they look. Some might work much harder and develop added capacity. Some might not want to. Some might not be able to.

What's "right" is what you think is "right." I say, go for the 40 ro the 42 and smile more. Chances are, you will be working plenty hard anyway.

For the guys who ride 53/42 with a 11-23 ... good for you, too. What do I care what gearing some other guy rides?

I live in Flatahoma and I am Glad for 34x28 ... and I have another bike with 34x32, and an extras 11-32 for the other just in case. If I regularly saw an incline over six percent .... I bet I'd go 11-36 without a second thought. if that didn't cut it .... keep your mouths closed, wolves, the fat cyclingn dentist is coming.
Well put :-)
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I have a wolftooth on my gravel bike because shimano 11 speed road drivetrains dont allow for the gearing i want and to use an 11sp mtb rd to get the gearing i want, id have to use a tanpan which is just another workaround and more expensive.

If shimano would make affordable 46/30 cranks, it would reduce the need for workarounds like the roadlink.
Which is exactly why I would never put a shimano 11 speed chainset on a gravel bike. I understand why someone would want to and agree it's a shame that shimano doesn't make a 46/30 11 speed crank. I don't really blame Shimano. They sell what people buy, and there are plenty of other options out there for appropriate gearing on a gravel bike.
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Which is exactly why I would never put a shimano 11 speed chainset on a gravel bike. I understand why someone would want to and agree it's a shame that shimano doesn't make a 46/30 11 speed crank. I don't really blame Shimano. They sell what people buy, and there are plenty of other options out there for appropriate gearing on a gravel bike.
I put on a Velo Orange 46/30 on one of my wife's bikes. Cheaper than the Sugino which you had suggested. Just putting it out there in case anyone else is interested.
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I make a yearly trek to Colorado to ride in the Rockies. The first few years I rode a 50/34 with a 32t low gear and swapped to a long cage RD for the ride. This last year, same gears but used a Roadlink and my usual small cage RD. On the climbs I walk away from my riding partner that insists on using a 53/39 with a 25t low gear.
Moral to the story; use what works for you. I couldn't care less if someone thinks I'm a wuss, I'll be waiting at the top of the mountain.
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Which is exactly why I would never put a shimano 11 speed chainset on a gravel bike. I understand why someone would want to and agree it's a shame that shimano doesn't make a 46/30 11 speed crank. I don't really blame Shimano. They sell what people buy, and there are plenty of other options out there for appropriate gearing on a gravel bike.
Shimano sells what people buy, but people cant buy what shimano doesnt sell. Chicken or egg here.
There is clearly demand for road cranks with subcompact gearing, but Shimano doesnt make anything.
There is clearly demand for larger rear derailleur capacity within the road lineup, but Shimano doesnt make anything.


To get gearing thats sub 1-1 ratio, a new gravel bike would max out at 9speed ising road and mtb mix, or need a 10speed 4700 triple drivetrain.
4700 is wonky as it doesnt play with anything else within Shimano's lineup.
9speed Sora is simply not 'good enough' for many of the bike's prices. Call it snobbery or whatever, but itd be tough for many to justify paying so much for Sora.
Also, i think a wide range 9 speed would be some pretty big jumps on the cassette.


Curious what you would outfit new gravel bikes with to achieve the wide range. Call it the $1300-$1700 range that seems to be a sweetspot within the market.
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Shimano sells what people buy, but people cant buy what shimano doesnt sell. Chicken or egg here.
There is clearly demand for road cranks with subcompact gearing, but Shimano doesnt make anything.
There is clearly demand for larger rear derailleur capacity within the road lineup, but Shimano doesnt make anything.


To get gearing thats sub 1-1 ratio, a new gravel bike would max out at 9speed ising road and mtb mix, or need a 10speed 4700 triple drivetrain.
4700 is wonky as it doesnt play with anything else within Shimano's lineup.
9speed Sora is simply not 'good enough' for many of the bike's prices. Call it snobbery or whatever, but itd be tough for many to justify paying so much for Sora.
Also, i think a wide range 9 speed would be some pretty big jumps on the cassette.


Curious what you would outfit new gravel bikes with to achieve the wide range. Call it the $1300-$1700 range that seems to be a sweetspot within the market.
I had a bizarro moment in December at an LBS.

...they were charging regular retail (nothing unusual). Nothing under $2,000 had 105. In fact nothing in their entire shop had Ultegra or better--it was all at most 105. All the sub-2K "gravel" or "adventure" bikes had either Claris parts, and the $1,999 bikes had entry-level SRAM. Yup. $2K, and shipped with entry level parts. In case you're wondering, these weren't exotic bikes from fringe brand made out of fancy materials.....these were Salsa (AKA QBP) bikes with straight-gauge steel frames and typically steel forks.
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