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Wintertime want-to-buy disease. Am I nuts?

Old 01-14-18, 11:04 PM
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Wintertime want-to-buy disease. Am I nuts?

Apologies for this being an early post. It's winter, it's been cold (and occasionally wet), and I've been a weather wuss. That being said, I always suffer a combination of cabin fever and shopping lust this time of year.

Current road bike is a Pegoretti GGM. Great bike, built up to spec, and fits me perfectly. No complaints about it at all.

But I've been looking.

I've been an uneducated member of the "who needs disc brakes" club, and un-fond of (mainly the look of) compact geometry and sloping top tubes. I don't really understand moving to wider tires, and a 53/39 has always worked fine for me. But I've been looking...and my eyes have fallen upon a couple of Fuji Gran Fondos. Both are 105 builds, disc brakes, one mechanical and one hydraulic. I've ridden a rim brake Classico, but the disc models have what Fuji touts as "vibration reduction" technology. I don't know that I've ever been all that bothered by vibes, even when I rode a whole bunch more than I have in the last few seasons. Shoot, I still ride on 23s. But it's January, and I'm looking.

As a practical matter, I'd probably part with the Pegoretti if I bought new. Is the Fuji (or whatever other newer bike the collective might suggest) a step down? Or how big a step up? Am I nuts?
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Ummmm...... Are you really asking if a Fuji is a step down from a Pegoretti??

Dario Pegoretti is one of the best Italian framebuilders of all time. His bikes are nothing short of magical and you want to sell it for a Fuji?

Please ignore the cold and get outside for some fresh air. You are losing your mind to the cabin fever.

Ok, in all seriousness I'd consider it a step down. If you do want the Fuji then get it, but don't sell that wonderful piece of Italian machinery. Or at least send it my way to be loved as it should be.
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Old 01-15-18, 10:18 AM
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Im almost certain youd regret selling your Pegoretti for a Fuji. IMO thats a huge step down in virtually every way.
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Old 01-15-18, 10:19 AM
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I see by your profile (jamesdak) that you've got some classics. Kudos. When I go out and eyeball the Pegoretti, I do come to my senses...pretty much.

We've got a little in common: SWMBO had a GL Ventoux, and this past fall I sold a Lemond Zurich that just wasn't getting ridden enough.

I don't really have space to put the Fuji where the Zurich used to be at the moment, so I just need to go eyeball the Pegoretti at short intervals to maintain good sense.

Once I get my post count up, I'll add a pic.

Thx!

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I own a Fuji Sportif with mech discs. Basically the aluminum version of the Gran Fondo.

It will be a huge fall down, not a step.

The Fuji (with 105) is a great value. a lot of bike for the money. A superb entry-level bike, or actually, a couple steps above.

However ... it is a little porky, the discs aren't really a plus unless you ride a lot of rain (I bought mine as a rain bike--didn't want to chew up my other bikes) or do a lot of hard descents in steep mountains. The wheels are adequate. It is a comfortable ride, but any bike with 28s is likely to be a comfortable ride.

It is Not a master-built classic. it is Not a bike you would regret selling if you sold it. it is a bike you could replace with ease if you broke it or sold it ... and wouldn't notice much either way.

On the other hand you have a rare, perfectly Fitting (note please that I emphasized Perfectly Fitting) classic steel-framed sport bike which has an extended head tube (so you could get the same riding position as the Gran Fondo) and a highly engineere3d frame which, though steel, probably weighs less than the aluminum frame of my Sportif.

On top of that, the bike is specced exactly as you want it. On top of all That, you know it suits your riding style really well.

And your Grand Plan is to trade it for a generic bike?

Brilliant!


Is this a troll thread?

If your Pergotti is 55-58 cm, I will trade you straight up for my Sportif and throw in a set of extra Vuelta disc wheel--with discs. I will even throw in a free five-gallon bucket to catch your tears after you realize what you have done.
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Old 01-15-18, 11:04 AM
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Could you PLEASE give us a picture of the GGM.
Always wanted one.


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Not trolling, honest. Winter-addled.

Here 'tis. Has Ksyrium anniversary wheels on it now.
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Sorry, Maelochs; 52.
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Wow .... you post that After I look at the picture ..... it's not fair .....
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Go up a size or 2 in tires on your current bike and call it a day IMO

Tire shopping is nearly as much fun as bike shopping https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/
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^^^^^
See, I knew somebody would point me to that piece of cycling quicksand.

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^^^^^
See, I knew somebody would point me to that piece of cycling quicksand.

It really is shameful how much some of my workdays are spent researching and shopping for tires

Looking to turn my old Trek rigid MTB into a drop bar bike for gravel/dirt trails in the summer, and deeper snow in the winter. Tire selection is crucial
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Originally Posted by jamesdak View Post
Ummmm...... Are you really asking if a Fuji is a step down from a Pegoretti??

Dario Pegoretti is one of the best Italian framebuilders of all time. His bikes are nothing short of magical and you want to sell it for a Fuji?

Please ignore the cold and get outside for some fresh air. You are losing your mind to the cabin fever.

Ok, in all seriousness I'd consider it a step down. If you do want the Fuji then get it, but don't sell that wonderful piece of Italian machinery. Or at least send it my way to be loved as it should be.

What he said
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It really is shameful how much some of my workdays are spent researching and shopping for tires

Looking to turn my old Trek rigid MTB into a drop bar bike for gravel/dirt trails in the summer, and deeper snow in the winter. Tire selection is crucial
I wish someone...anywhere...would stock Terrene Honalis in 700x50. . No one even on Amazon sells them.
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Ummmm...... Are you really asking if a Fuji is a step down from a Pegoretti??

Dario Pegoretti is one of the best Italian framebuilders of all time. His bikes are nothing short of magical and you want to sell it for a Fuji?

Please ignore the cold and get outside for some fresh air. You are losing your mind to the cabin fever.

Ok, in all seriousness I'd consider it a step down. If you do want the Fuji then get it, but don't sell that wonderful piece of Italian machinery. Or at least send it my way to be loved as it should be.
A new, modern bike may be a better every day bike.

But under no circumstances would a sane person sell the Pegoretti.

Put the Pegoretti in the 'over' part of and over/under bike rack... and get whatever disposable plastic bike du jour you want for the lower, ridden daily, part of the rack.

But don't ever part with the classic.

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Originally Posted by Crabbybahstid View Post
Apologies for this being an early post. It's winter, it's been cold (and occasionally wet), and I've been a weather wuss. That being said, I always suffer a combination of cabin fever and shopping lust this time of year.

Current road bike is a Pegoretti GGM. Great bike, built up to spec, and fits me perfectly. No complaints about it at all.

But I've been looking.

I've been an uneducated member of the "who needs disc brakes" club, and un-fond of (mainly the look of) compact geometry and sloping top tubes. I don't really understand moving to wider tires, and a 53/39 has always worked fine for me. But I've been looking...and my eyes have fallen upon a couple of Fuji Gran Fondos. Both are 105 builds, disc brakes, one mechanical and one hydraulic. I've ridden a rim brake Classico, but the disc models have what Fuji touts as "vibration reduction" technology. I don't know that I've ever been all that bothered by vibes, even when I rode a whole bunch more than I have in the last few seasons. Shoot, I still ride on 23s. But it's January, and I'm looking.

As a practical matter, I'd probably part with the Pegoretti if I bought new. Is the Fuji (or whatever other newer bike the collective might suggest) a step down? Or how big a step up? Am I nuts?
You'd be completely out of your mind to swap a Pegoretti for a Fuji.

You want "vibration reduction" try looking at new tires. I have a bike that was awful to ride for it's overly stiff frame in terms of vertical compliance. I tried everything, then I put on Schwalbe G-1 speeds on a tubeless rim and was amazed at the plush and fast ride. Average speed went up. The G-1 speeds plus tubeless rims are pretty close in weight and performance to the 25c tubulars I normally ride. Big win for me.

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Here 'tis.
In that small size, it has to be one stiff mother of a ride.
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On one hand I'm sitting here really wishing I had a Fuji to swap with you. On the other hand, if you actually did take me up on it I'd have no choice but to slap you silly before actually going through with the transaction. I'm complicated like that.
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On one hand I'm sitting here really wishing I had a Fuji to swap with you. On the other hand, if you actually did take me up on it I'd have no choice but to slap you silly before actually going through with the transaction. I'm complicated like that.
Right? Show up at his garage, take the Pegoretti, keep the Fuji, kick him in the dangling modifiers and tell him he deserved it for not appreciating art. Then set his house on fire.

Well, maybe that's a bit harsh. Maybe just torch his car.)
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Right? Show up at his garage, take the Pegoretti, keep the Fuji, kick him in the dangling modifiers and tell him he deserved it for not appreciating art. Then set his house on fire.

Well, maybe that's a bit harsh. Maybe just torch his car.)
Then ride down the street on the Pegoretti, dragging the Fuji (also on fire). No judge would ever convict me.
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BWAHAHAHA.

Great stuff, and points/advice taken.

As to the ride, no, it rides great! When I got it, it was built with Mavic Cosmos rims and some sort of Michelin slicks (Axials?). After the first ride (or two), my conclusion was that if I'd imagined a "perfect" bike for me, I wouldn't have imagined it that good. Efficient, but not punishing, and handles like it's on rails.
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