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Old 02-16-18, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
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I agree that these pedals look similar but they are not. That is how we were able to get the patent. One of those pedals is really hard to get into and line up, and the other it appears that there is hardly any resistance on the up pedal where your foot could slip out. Our pedal will not release unless you turn your heel.

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Basically the same as my response above. Ours will not come out.

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We agree.
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OMG the verdict is in. After a long summer of 3rd party testing at Gear Junkie we have our report. I have been speaking with them throughout the entire process. During that time I could see that things were going well and now the report confirms it. If you would, please take a moment to read this and let me know what you think. I have been quiet for a long time waiting for this actual written review. As I go backwards through the prior posts there was a lot of people who did did not believe that the pedals worked the way that I was trying to explain. Frankly I would have to agree, as it just doesn't seem possible that this system would hold as well as it does. Anyways I'm pretty excited about the news, let me know what you think. The review is right here.
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Hmmm. I wear mountain shoes with lugs because I often walk during my rides. If I were going to buy road shoes and pedals, I'd probably go for these. I like simple, and these are simple. I would want to see how they feel clipping in. Is it likely that in a hurry the rider would just roll right over the cleat and miss the clip in?
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You lost me at "... developed a shoe to specifically house the Pitbull cleats and make them less obtrusive"

I still haven't figured out what question this system answers. I get that the pedal is "simple." But, if the "non-simple" pedals are performing extremely well and not creating other issues - scary, stabby pedals, cleats that could carve marble, even more awkward walking - where's the gain? Well, other than weight?

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Old 09-26-18, 06:04 PM
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since the pedal rod is longer than the cleat itself, it seems like you could end up with different q-factor every time you re-engage, and you can't adjust it since there is no slippage
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"scary, stabby pedals"
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Okay, the thread had been resurrected ... where are the pedals?

(Just blew out a Time Expresso clone on a ride last night.)
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Old 09-27-18, 05:16 AM
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Not going to lie, pretty intrigued, except I use Favero Assiomas so it pretty much rules out any other pedal options for me.
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Having a lot of fun with the new pedal system. I've listened to everyone on this site and others about the pros and cons. I think that the pros definitely outweigh the cons. I made a simple video a little while ago to show one of the main complaints that everyone has thinking that these are impossible to walk in, including our 3rd party tester at Gear Junkie, Adam. I hope you get a laugh out of this as I had fun making it.
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I have some news to report. We have been fortunate enough to be able to possibly do some business with a large bike company. I don't feel like I should name it now as we are still in negotiations. They have requested us to make a glass filled nylon version that could be molded. So we have machined one out of some 50% filled nylon. We had gotten it finished up and we have been riding with it and it has worked perfectly and has cut the weight by more than half. As far as walking on it, now that it is made out of nylon we were concerned of it breaking or wearing down too fast. So I put it down to a brutal test. I put both shoes on and went for a 2 mile aggressive walk on a broom finish sidewalk. Very abrasive. I came back jumped on the bike and the pedals worked perfectly. There was definitely wear to the pedal but that was after 2 miles with a 200lb person walking aggressively. Below are a couple short videos of the walk. Wish us luck!

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My only question is how do you ensure that you clip in....in exactly the same spot laterally along the spindle? So for example, if a cleat is mounted too far towards the inside of your shoe, it can cause pain to the inside of your knee (because the Q-Factor is off). Unless I missed it, you clip on a spindle, so how do you ensure that it is in the exact spot every time? So if you are able to clip in anywhere along the spindle, it would replicate having normal cleats either mounted too close or too far from the inside of your shoe throwing the alignment off and causing pain to either the inside or outside of the knee....would it not?


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Originally Posted by jadocs View Post
My only question is how do you ensure that you clip in....in exactly the same spot laterally along the spindle? So for example, if a cleat is mounted too far towards the inside of your shoe, it can cause pain to the inside of your knee (because the Q-Factor is off). Unless I missed it, you clip on a spindle, so how do you ensure that it is in the exact spot every time? So if you are able to clip in anywhere along the spindle, it would replicate having normal cleats either mounted too close or too far from the inside of your shoe throwing the alignment off and causing pain to either the inside or outside of the knee....would it not?
I don't know how the OP will answer, but how do cyclists who use flats manage?
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Old 12-15-18, 07:22 AM
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I have the same question about sliding (or not being able to slide) the foot laterally. I recently adjusted my pedals for a couple millimeters wider q-factor and got vastly increased comfort, so it does matter.

I still like the pedals … waiting to see what happens.

On the other hand, I just put a set of XTs (Shimano MTB) on my rain/work bike last night and they are excellent …. Very easy to clip into. You would need to beat the XTs in weight and price, if only by a little ….

Right now I have road shoes, MTB shoes, and sandals. All my road bikes have the same style pedals, all my work bikes have the same style pedals. I would be looking at three pairs of pedals plus one or two cleat sets—or, if they are that good, six or seven sets of pedals. So…. performance and price do matter.
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Old 12-15-18, 07:34 AM
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I don't know how the OP will answer, but how do cyclists who use flats manage?
Your nont locked in with flats, you will be locked in using a clipless system which can be problematic if the alignment of your joints are off (being locked in at that position)...which then can cause injury.
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The article did mention that the rider could clip in anywhere along the shaft, but the lock was most secure when the foot was butted against the inner plate surrounding the spindle. Q-factor would have to be adjusted through washers on the threads or plastic plates which slid over the spindle to effectively widen the base plate ... even so it seems the rider could clip in at the wrong spot along the spindle and have to unclip and reclip.
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I see many problems, like no guaranteed repeatable side to side relocation and no float. Speedplay has all of that covered.
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Old 12-15-18, 01:15 PM
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The big (and it is big) advantage of this system is the fast, sure, clip-in. As I mentioned above, for commuters or MTB riders these pedals would be fantastic, if they work as advertised. They need to address the lateral location issue, though.

I can sometimes ride for a couple hours without having to stop and unclip, and sometimes have to stop and unclip six or seven times in an hour ride. it is all about traffic and luck at the lights. Any time I was riding around town, particularly if I was doing shopping or something, or just needed to get through the heart of downtown to get to the good riding roads ion the far side .....
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Originally Posted by jadocs View Post
My only question is how do you ensure that you clip in....in exactly the same spot laterally along the spindle? So for example, if a cleat is mounted too far towards the inside of your shoe, it can cause pain to the inside of your knee (because the Q-Factor is off). Unless I missed it, you clip on a spindle, so how do you ensure that it is in the exact spot every time? So if you are able to clip in anywhere along the spindle, it would replicate having normal cleats either mounted too close or too far from the inside of your shoe throwing the alignment off and causing pain to either the inside or outside of the knee....would it not?
As far as foot placement on the spindle, there is a guide flange. Your foot just goes up against it and you push forward and you will clip in every time. I can understand Q-factor but some of it is hard for me to really believe and I'm sorry about that. My partner and I are both older gentlemen and with just the basic simple movement of my foot within the shoe and all of the human joints from ankle to knee to hip there is so much flexibility that we have not run into any problems or pain based off the Q-factor.

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I have the same question about sliding (or not being able to slide) the foot laterally. I recently adjusted my pedals for a couple millimeters wider q-factor and got vastly increased comfort, so it does matter.
I still like the pedals … waiting to see what happens. On the other hand, I just put a set of XTs (Shimano MTB) on my rain/work bike last night and they are excellent …. Very easy to clip into. You would need to beat the XTs in weight and price, if only by a little ….Right now I have road shoes, MTB shoes, and sandals. All my road bikes have the same style pedals, all my work bikes have the same style pedals. I would be looking at three pairs of pedals plus one or two cleat sets—or, if they are that good, six or seven sets of pedals. So…. performance and price do matter.
As with my answer to the other gentleman, right now we don't seem to have any problems riding with the system. I do think that the pedal or cleat could be modified to move your foot into a different location without that much difficulty if needed.

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The article did mention that the rider could clip in anywhere along the shaft, but the lock was most secure when the foot was butted against the inner plate surrounding the spindle. Q-factor would have to be adjusted through washers on the threads or plastic plates which slid over the spindle to effectively widen the base plate ... even so it seems the rider could clip in at the wrong spot along the spindle and have to unclip and reclip.
As far as right now, we feel that with your foot going directly against the guide flange it puts your foot in the same spot every time.

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I see many problems, like no guaranteed repeatable side to side relocation and no float. Speedplay has all of that covered.
Like I had stated above, we feel our alignment is taken care of with the guide flange. These pedals can be made with or without float. I personally prefer riding with no float, as I feel like I'm part of the bike. The other cleats that I ride with have float as we just needed to prove to ourselves that the cleat could be made with float if someone desired it.

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The big (and it is big) advantage of this system is the fast, sure, clip-in. As I mentioned above, for commuters or MTB riders these pedals would be fantastic, if they work as advertised. They need to address the lateral location issue, though. I can sometimes ride for a couple hours without having to stop and unclip, and sometimes have to stop and unclip six or seven times in an hour ride. it is all about traffic and luck at the lights. Any time I was riding around town, particularly if I was doing shopping or something, or just needed to get through the heart of downtown to get to the good riding roads ion the far side .....
As we are working with this bike company it appears that they would be wanting to offer an amateur pedal being a little heavier, and a titanium pedal for the maximum weight reduction. All of this can be made on a power fed CNC lathe which should help keep the cost down. As far as the cleats go that is simple injection molding that would produce maybe 4 cleats every 30 seconds, and you could do the math from there if high quantities are needed.
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Well .... this might be the first "new" bike product i have seen in a Looooong time that seems like other than a gimmick.

Of course, convincing me doesn't mean a thing. i don't know how many thousands you would need to sell to make it work for you ... pedal systems is a pretty competitive field.

As far s it goes ... the best way to handle Q-factor adjustment might be to have the threaded shaft be a few millimeters longer, and to include some .5 and 1-mm washers.

Sounds good so far.
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No float, no deal.
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No float, no deal.
he says both float and sink versions are available...
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he says both float and sink versions are available...
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Originally Posted by Maelochs View Post
Well .... this might be the first "new" bike product i have seen in a Looooong time that seems like other than a gimmick.
Of course, convincing me doesn't mean a thing. i don't know how many thousands you would need to sell to make it work for you ... pedal systems is a pretty competitive field.
As far s it goes ... the best way to handle Q-factor adjustment might be to have the threaded shaft be a few millimeters longer, and to include some .5 and 1-mm washers.
Sounds good so far.
Like I had said earlier I think that there would be ways to work out a few more details, the washers would be one way to accomplish it. Thanks for the input. Also here is a picture of the new nylon cleats. Just roughed out and sent to the bike company for testing. They have cut the weigh dramatically and even more could come out of them as they seem to be extremely strong. I've been walking and riding with them.
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Wouldn't it help the walkability and add a bit to the guiding of the foot to the right spot if there was a bit more material added to the cleat in this manner?

(the red part is what I imagine being added to this rather crude profile-view of the cleat)

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and this view from the bottom might help to illustrate:

Added red material for a walkable surface with the cross-hatched part being harder and helping to guide the spindle toward the metal tongue thingie...

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