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Cycling shoes - heel slip?

Old 02-20-18, 08:15 PM
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Cycling shoes - heel slip?

I can't ride in the shoes if I want to return them, but some that I've tried on seem to have quite a bit of heel slip/lift while walking. Would this happen while pedaling as well and should it be considered a deal breaker?
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Sounds like they are either too big or not sufficiently tightened up. Your heels probably will not lift while cycling, but if they are that loose there is a good chance that your feet may slide around in the shoes. (not good).
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They are likely either too big or insufficiently tightened. The will likely not have heel lift while cycling, but if that loose your feet are likely to slide around in the shoe. (not good)
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Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
Sounds like they are either too big or not sufficiently tightened up. Your heels probably will not lift while cycling, but if they are that loose there is a good chance that your feet may slide around in the shoes. (not good).
Thanks. Size is correct and if I get the rear BOA tightened substantially I can get rid of most of the heel lift but it's uncomfortably tight at that point. I think the heel just doesn't have enough structure, which is a shame because the rest of the shoe is extremely comfortable.

Fwiw they are the Lake 237's. Since the upper is leather and I like the fit a lot otherwise, I'm thinking of taking them to a cobbler and seeing if they can do something.
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If you can move up to the Lake 241, it has a moldable heel counter.
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Cycling shoes have stiff soles that are good for cycling but not very well suited for walking. One of the consequences of those stiff soles is that there is a tendency toward heel lift while walking, but this is irrelevant to the shoes main purpose. It is much, much harder to get heel lift on the bike, because the forces acting on the foot and shoe are very different. If all is well while pedalling on the bike, I wouldn't worry about it.
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Originally Posted by Fiery View Post
Cycling shoes have stiff soles that are good for cycling but not very well suited for walking. One of the consequences of those stiff soles is that there is a tendency toward heel lift while walking, but this is irrelevant to the shoes main purpose. It is much, much harder to get heel lift on the bike, because the forces acting on the foot and shoe are very different. If all is well while pedalling on the bike, I wouldn't worry about it.
This.
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Originally Posted by vinuneuro View Post
I can't ride in the shoes if I want to return them, but some that I've tried on seem to have quite a bit of heel slip/lift while walking. Would this happen while pedaling as well and should it be considered a deal breaker?
Dude my bonts are like stuck to my heal actually difficult to get off but impossible to walk in. Stiff like crazy 😜
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Old 02-21-18, 11:20 AM
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I just picked up some Shimano shoes that have the same kind of heel slip off the bike. I've only gotten in two rides with them, but I haven't noticed anything untoward on the bike. I do feel like an insole with better arch support will help, though, both on and off the bike.
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Yes. I always try to pedal with the heel cup. Sidis are good.
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Thanks everyone. The Lake's are a bit loose, the Shimano's are only slightly loose. I'm probably going with the Shimano since they can be tightened a bit more since the tongue is more padded which removes most of the heel lift.

I bought some PI 'cycling socks' for the first time with these. They are thinner, and it looks like my Hanes black socks are still the ideal thickness for the shoe volume, go figure.
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Originally Posted by vinuneuro View Post
I bought some PI 'cycling socks' for the first time with these. They are thinner, and it looks like my Hanes black socks are still the ideal thickness for the shoe volume, go figure.
A lot of cycling socks seem to be in the ultra-light weight (thickness) category, but the exceptions are my favorites - Smartwool Light/Light Elite are great and the wool Swiftwicks are awesome (I just wish they had a similar color palette as their synthetic models). Both have good density/cushion on the bottom and are lighter/more breathable elsewhere.
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I ran into the same problem when I was shopping for road shoes. What I ended up choosing were a pair of S-Works 6 that felt snug, but on the bike they felt great without any heel slip.
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Originally Posted by mvnsnd View Post
If you can move up to the Lake 241, it has a moldable heel counter.
Where can you get them? I've been trying to find a pair.
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Some of the higher-end Sidi shoes have an adjustable heel retention gizmo. They claim it prevents the heel from sliding out during steep climbs or sprints.


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Cycling shoes - heel slip?

Keep in mind that heel slip can be directly related to the stiffness of the sole. In most cases, typical bike shoes have a fairly rigid sole to direct power appropriately to the pedal and therefore does not flex the same as your foot does when walking or in a normal walking shoe. If you are doing a lot of walking along with your riding you will need to take this into account and buy a specific shoe for the activity. Most bikers do not do much walking and would prefer to have the more rigid sole for riding.

A softer bike shoe (like an urban shoe or five ten) manufactured more like a tennis shoe would provide this more natural form flexing with the foot when walking. Try for yourself with a running/walking shoe versus a biking shoe and you will see the sole doesn't flex the same.
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yea, have another pair of podium shoes.. since road shoes rigidity is no benefit walking..
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Some of the higher-end Sidi shoes have an adjustable heel retention gizmo. They claim it prevents the heel from sliding out during steep climbs or sprints.

^this.

There is quite a bit of adjustability plus Sidi’s have a nice heel pocket in general.
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Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
^this.

There is quite a bit of adjustability plus Sidi’s have a nice heel pocket in general.

The only downside is that it is only on their higher end products.

Not a big deal considering how long Sidi's actually last but it is a premium feature on a premium shoe with a premium price.
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The only downside is that it is only on their higher end products.

Not a big deal considering how long Sidi's actually last but it is a premium feature on a premium shoe with a premium price.
True, with respect to the adjuster.

However, Sidi shoes in general have some of the best heel pockets even in their lower priced shoes.
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Originally Posted by mvnsnd View Post
If you can move up to the Lake 241, it has a moldable heel counter.
I completely missed this post, but looks like the 241 might end up being the one (and I really hope so after trying around 8 pairs of shoes in different sizes) . Interestingly I thought the 237's were super comfortable (and they are) but the 241's take it up a notch. More than even having the moldable heel counter, just having a somewhat ridid heel supper goes a long way to improving heel security. The upper is really well ventilated due to design, but they will be really cold in cooler temps without shoe covers.

Fwiw the Shimano S-Phyre XC9/RC9 are slightly more comfortable while being significantly lighter, and the toe box is even wider. The downside of Lake shoes is that they are quite a bit heavier than many shoes in the same price range. My first choice was the S-Phyre's but I need 46.5 and they don't do half sizes in the Wide version. The Lake's are not quite as wide in the toe box but wider than the S-Phyre's through the mid-foot.

PS: Competitive Cyclist gives amazing prices on some of these shoes even if they aren't on sale, particularly Shimano. If anyone is looking PM me for the sales rep's name. I was able to get the XC9's for 25% off. I also very highly recommend the service from Bikeshoes.com.

Originally Posted by tjk23 View Post
Where can you get them? I've been trying to find a pair.
Magura USA is the US distributor for Lake and has the Lake 241's in stock in Black. You have to order by phone. They don't stock half sizes so I had to order directly from Lake. Have to pay full retail price from them and $15 for shipping. My eyes are filling with tears thinking about how much I paid for a pair of shoes.

I really wish my feet weren't so wide as there are good shoes at lower price points, but I've found cycling shoes to run pretty narrow which really limits options for those with wide feet.

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Originally Posted by JohnJ80 View Post
True, with respect to the adjuster.

However, Sidi shoes in general have some of the best heel pockets even in their lower priced shoes.
Yep, one of the reasons I run Genius on the road and Dominator on gravel.
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