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Hunting for used Shimano 2x9 (or 2x8)

Old 03-06-18, 09:06 PM
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Hunting for used Shimano 2x9 (or 2x8)

How would you rank/rate the various Shimano brifters for each?

I like the looks of the new Sora, and I hear it works reasonably well.

How do the prior generation 2x9 brifters compare? Is an old DA going to work better/worse/same vs. the R3000? It looks like they price out about the same ($120 for Sora at Ribble, about the same for DA/Ultegra/105/600 on Ebay)?
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Old 03-06-18, 11:57 PM
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I've got an older bike with Ultegra 9-speed. It shifts really smooth as the gear cables are still external, so low resistance. Only problem is that the rubber hoods are now getting pretty sticky from age and I can't seem to find new ones anywhere.
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Old 03-07-18, 09:18 AM
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I have a complete set of Shimano Tiagra 2x9 (brifters, calipers, crankset, BB, FD/RD) and Aksium wheels that you can have for the cost of shipping. They shifted fine when I got the bike, but I'm more or less a Campy guy, so off they came. I'm installing 3x10 Chorus components on the frame.
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if you can swing it (and if you wheelset allows it) why not spend a little more for 11 speed 105s
As long as you have quality housing and cables Most the STI groupset will shift fine.
The exceptions I have encountered are lower end crankset ( 8 speed Sora) the chainring did not pick up the chains as well compare to the other series.

before you commit to the sora levers...are you just replacing the lever or the group?

The new Sora front derrarilleur have a longer swing arm, the R3000 left shifter will not work well with the older front derrailleur.
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Old 03-07-18, 10:10 AM
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before you commit to the sora levers...are you just replacing the lever or the group?
Bike is not yet in existence. I'm just gathering bits at the moment. It's to be a surprise for my wife. She's signed up for a triathlon in a few months (she did it last year on a Trek FX). While I could probably just throw on some good tires for an immediate benefit, I'm thinking she might like a proper road bike for better aero. I think she'll love the bike, but she'd kill me if I dropped money on an 11sp build.
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There is 8 speed Claris as well.

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/reviews...laris-groupset

There are a few deals on ebay.

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Find an old early 2000's late 1990's 105 or better. That old stuff shifts like butter, just a little heavy.
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Old 03-07-18, 11:21 AM
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OP, might want to be a little careful with 9 speed Ultegra and DA shifters. I have two right side, DA shifters that died. Not sure what happened but they won't work unless you hold them with two hands to apply pressure, hardly practical while riding. The bike shop told me Ultegra 9 speed had the same problem but for some reason, 105 9 speed doesn't suffer from the same fate. My guess is the higher priced units used lighter materials that degrade over time. I had a 105 9 speed bike that held up for many years. I sold it last year and I think it's still running. I also bought a bike with the latest 9 speed SORA shifters (paddle shifters). I can't detect any difference between those two however, the ergonomics of the newer shifters is a little bit nicer. As for Claris and older SORA 8 speed shifters with the thumb lever to up-shift, I personally don't like them. IMHO, they don't shift as precise as 105 or better shifters or the new SORA design. I would avoid them. When I upgraded from 8 speed to 9 speed I liked the additional gear and thought the change was worth the price.
If I was updating a bike today, on a budget, I'd go with 9 speed (you can use almost any 8 speed crankset) or I'd spend a little more and go with 10 speed. 10 speed 105 is a very sweet, not expensive set up but you might have to change your crankset. I still have it on one of my back up bikes and it works perfectly all these years.
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Originally Posted by athrowawaynic View Post
Bike is not yet in existence. I'm just gathering bits at the moment. It's to be a surprise for my wife. She's signed up for a triathlon in a few months (she did it last year on a Trek FX). While I could probably just throw on some good tires for an immediate benefit, I'm thinking she might like a proper road bike for better aero. I think she'll love the bike, but she'd kill me if I dropped money on an 11sp build.
If it is going to be a new built you might as well go 10 speed with tiagra 4700 for about 300 bucks. Brand new shifters so you dont need to worry about how much life is left. Since its 10 speed you can use any of the older 8,9,10 speed wheelset.

Its hard to beat a new 10 speed group set for 300 bucks, and you get the new slimmer hood design, unlike the 7900, 6700 and 5700 series shifters.

OTOH
a used 7800 dura ace group can be had for under 400 bucks.

good luck with the build!
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Old 03-07-18, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by roccobike View Post
might want to be a little careful with 9 speed Ultegra and DA shifters. I have two right side, DA shifters that died. Not sure what happened but they won't work unless you hold them with two hands to apply pressure, hardly practical while riding. The bike shop told me Ultegra 9 speed had the same problem but for some reason, 105 9 speed doesn't suffer from the same fate.
Thanks. The flaws in the older 2x9 shifters is really what I was curious about. I know about gunked shifters. I've heard about certain models where the shift cable snaps inside the shifter because of the shifter design (but wasn't sure which models to be careful of for that).

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If it is going to be a new built you might as well go 10 speed with tiagra 4700 for about 300 bucks. Brand new shifters so you dont need to worry about how much life is left. Since its 10 speed you can use any of the older 8,9,10 speed wheelset.
I'm a little leery about 4700 compatibility. (A bit more investment in 105 allows actual bit-by-bit upgrades to the group.)
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Originally Posted by roccobike View Post
OP, might want to be a little careful with 9 speed Ultegra and DA shifters. I have two right side, DA shifters that died. Not sure what happened but they won't work unless you hold them with two hands to apply pressure, hardly practical while riding. The bike shop told me Ultegra 9 speed had the same problem but for some reason, 105 9 speed doesn't suffer from the same fate.
My ultegra 6500 right side shifter did the same thing and I replaced the shifters with ... I think 9 spd tiagra. Since then I said ta heck with it and got a full 105 groupset for the bike. It's an old steel bike for trainer duty, not critical by any means.
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If it were me I'd take speedevil up on his generous offer.
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Originally Posted by dmcdam View Post
If it were me I'd take speedevil up on his generous offer.
Probably PM'd him already

I have an older set of Tiagra 4500 3x9 on mine. They work really smoothly. Better than the 2x9 Sora 3500's I have on another bike, actually.

The routing for the hidden cables on 5700's were an issue for me, especially on the left side, though I'm sure they've ironed out the kinks on the new Sora's by now as I don't hear people complaining about that on the 5800's or 6800's when they first came out.

I also had a older set of 3x8 Soras from way back. They worked very well too. It's all good.
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Old 03-09-18, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dmcdam View Post
If it were me I'd take speedevil up on his generous offer.
Originally Posted by mcours2006 View Post
Probably PM'd him already
Indeed a generous offer. For all the heated discussions on BF, there really are some great folks here and a lot of that energy is just passion.

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Bike Recyclery has a 9-speed front/left shifter for $49

Shimano Dura Ace ST-7700 STI Shifter: Front / Left Double - Bike Recyclery


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Originally Posted by athrowawaynic View Post
Indeed a generous offer. For all the heated discussions on BF, there really are some great folks here and a lot of that energy is just passion.
+1

A fellow BF'er had done the same thing for me a while back when I had a broken right side shifter. I am very grateful for it.
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