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Sagan = besthe us

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Sagan = besthe us

He is a joy and a uber talent
Great victory
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Yep, now all those naysayers that doubted him can stfu!
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Not sure who doubted him after winning the worlds three times. Maybe because he's not a grand tour rider?
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Not sure who doubted him after winning the worlds three times. Maybe because he's not a grand touar rider?
Yep, no grand tour win they cast you off. I like the guy, he is fun to watch and has great personality for the sport. Doing more positive things to promote cycling than anybody has in a long while. A great comedian too. Like on the podium last weekend when he freaked out the mayor of Roubix by pretending to slip and drop the trophy was pretty funny.

He is a good guy and an amazing athlete
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My favorite cyclist.
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Love the quirky Sagan. There's nobody quite like him. But I'm not surprised he won Paris-Roubaix. It's a perfect match for his physical attributes and skills.
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My wife could care less about cycling but watches TDF with me. LOVES Peter.
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Yep, he is an inspiration to the sport. KB.
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My wife could care less about cycling but watches TDF with me. LOVES Peter.
My wife saw me go nuts watching him win Worlds in person in '15 (after giving him a fist bump that morning while he was warming up ). She also likes him because he "looks like an athlete" and not a skeletal climber type.
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I'm still trying to figure out what 'besthe' is.
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Am I the only one who wishes someone with grace and class could represent the USA?

People like Richard Petty and Michael Jordon come to mind - gentlemen, never clownish or cartoonish, always something nice to say or they would say nothing at all. Real men with reserve and dignity. Are there American cyclists like this out there?

I don't know. Maybe I'm old fashioned or just idealistic.


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Am I the only one who wishes someone with grace and class could represent the USA?

People like Richard Petty and Michael Jordon come to mind - gentlemen, never clownish or cartoonish, always something nice to say or they would say nothing at all. Real men with reserve and dignity. Are there American cyclists like this out there?

I don't know. Maybe I'm old fashioned or just idealistic.


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I guess you don't like Taylor Phinney's stoner snowboarder mentality, huh?
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Am I the only one who wishes someone with grace and class could represent the USA?

People like Richard Petty and Michael Jordon come to mind - gentlemen, never clownish or cartoonish, always something nice to say or they would say nothing at all. Real men with reserve and dignity. Are there American cyclists like this out there?

I don't know. Maybe I'm old fashioned or just idealistic.


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Peter Sagan is from Slovakia.

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My wife saw me go nuts watching him win Worlds in person in '15 (after giving him a fist bump that morning while he was warming up ). She also likes him because he "looks like an athlete" and not a skeletal climber type.
She only has two men that she will admit to liking A LOT - Peter S. and Neil Diamond. Says she would leave me for Neil So I won't ask about Peter.
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Phinney is trying too hard to be different and cool.

Sagan just is different and cool. No canned answers in a Sagan interview and nothing contrived. Refreshing.
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Phinney is trying too hard to be different and cool.

Sagan just is different and cool. No canned answers in a Sagan interview and nothing contrived. Refreshing.
Taylor Phinney is a little different, competing after shattering his leg. Every interview I've seen him in he seems honest and down to earth.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/s...-tell-why.html

Anyway Sagan seems awesome as well. They both represent their countries honorably. Proud to always cheer on a Midwest boy competing on the world stage.
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Not sure who doubted him after winning the worlds three times. Maybe because he's not a grand tour rider?
1) Everyone likes to manufacture an "us/me against the world" mentality. And underdog status. Even when it's absurd.

2) There are a few doubters, or were - there was a good long stretch a couple years back where he wasn't winning anything. Lots of high finishes in the Tour and elsewhere, but not actually winning stages.

3) I find his antics the opposite of "cool and refreshing"; he's a clown. A tiring clown whose act started out as annoying and descended from there.
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I'm still trying to figure out what 'besthe' is.
Oh good, I thought it was just me.
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Am I the only one who wishes someone with grace and class could represent the USA?

People like Richard Petty and Michael Jordon come to mind - gentlemen, never clownish or cartoonish, always something nice to say or they would say nothing at all. Real men with reserve and dignity. Are there American cyclists like this out there?

I don't know. Maybe I'm old fashioned or just idealistic.


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Here ya go: TJ Eisenhart. He seems like a good kid. I hope he'll do well.


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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
Here ya go: TJ Eisenhart. He seems like a good kid. I hope he'll do well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRzMZ9rEMHk

https://youtu.be/4N1MeylE-HY
When I saw him on Lance's podcast, class and grace were some of the last two words I would've used to describe him.

On the topic of the thread, Sagan is fun to watch race because it seems like he is willing to take chances and do different things.
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When I saw him on Lance's podcast, class and grace were some of the last two words I would've used to describe him.

On the topic of the thread, Sagan is fun to watch race because it seems like he is willing to take chances and do different things.
I'm not sure what class and grace have to do with being a successful athlete. Those qualities may be desirable for some fans but are only incidental to capability.

TJ's demeanor on the Armstrong podcast were mainly a factor of the boys club locker room vibe of the podcast. Lance and JB set the tone with a Howard Stern type irreverent and sometimes crude vibe. Most fans of the podcast seem to enjoy that. TJ was going along with it.

On other shows and interviews TJ adapts to the tone set by those hosts and interviewers (check out the videos I linked to). Pretty much like anyone who isn't a media savvy expert at curating his or her public facade.

Most top pro cyclists have been simultaneously praised and criticized for exactly the same personality characteristics and quirks:
Anquetil's charm, arrogance and mercenary attitude toward maximizing his income from cycling;
Merckx for being aloof and indifferent to playing the game of allowing others to win even when he was the best;
Hinault for his lack of grace, dogged determination and selfishness;
LeMond for undermining or not supporting Boyer at the world's, saying Boyer didn't deserve to win; then whining when he didn't get the kind of team support he thought he deserved and earned; being a likable guy but not pursuing the traditional European grand tour schedule as Merckx and Hinault.
Indurain for being a stiff, declining to be a celebrity, just a bland guy;
Armstrong was either an unethical bully and tyrant, or the perfect corporate genius and engineer of relentless pursuit of victory, depending on which end of the elephant the blind men are holding.

Regarding Armstrong's podcast, keep in mind that Lance is doing what Lance has always done -- he's a control freak who is genetically programmed to succeed by dominating the medium and message. The fact that he's still relevant and among the more interesting figures in cycling as an athlete and media personality shows that he didn't succeed solely because of doping. Everybody was doping. Lance succeeded because he's Lance. It's his personality and genetic programming. He's both admired and despised for precisely the same characteristics that we see in most corporate executives.
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I'm not sure what class and grace have to do with being a successful athlete. Those qualities may be desirable for some fans but are only incidental to capability.
Uh, your TJ suggestion was a direct response to someone explicitly looking for a stand-out American pro that conducted themselves with class and grace.
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Welp, okay, if that's a priority for you, good luck with that class and grace thing. Competitive athletics are filled with classy, graceful losers.
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Welp, okay, if that's a priority for you, good luck with that class and grace thing. Competitive athletics are filled with classy, graceful losers.
Are you really getting pissy because you didn't understand the question?
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