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Have all the brands on my bikes:
Shimano Ultegra on my spring/fall training bike (Rose X-lite bike , Reynolds Aero for faster days, Mavics for training days, Stages power meter) Campa Super Record on my race bike (Eddy Merckx EMX bike , FFWD or ENVE carbon wheels on race days depending on wind/climbs, hand built Mavics w. Hope hubs for training) SRAM Etap HRD on my other race bike, since I wanted to test discs (Canyon Aeroad bike, ZIPP 404 for race days, hand built Hope w Mavic rims for training, Quarq DZero Red power meter) All three work just fine. Of the mechanical, the Campa have the best feeling and shifts really sharply and accurately. But really expensive with extra cassettes etc. for the training wheels... ETAP works like a charm. On the downside, shifts a little slower than Di2, but it has no practical importance. The Ultegra brakes are really good. The Campa brakes are super good once you have changes the pads... Ultegra is of course a cheaper option than Super Record and therefore the bike is a little heavier, but the function of Ultegra is flawless.... |
Originally Posted by redlude97
(Post 20359753)
If you used the higher limit to lock out the extra clicks and tried to force a shift past the limit the internals would explode.
Detent mechanisms like Campy's good shifters, or downtube levers or gripshift, are totally unfazed. Anyway, the point was that just because SRAM shifter breakages happen, that doesn't make them more vulnerable than any other escapement shifter. In fact, due to their simplicity and large metal wear surfaces, I'm pretty sure they're more durable than Shimano's fiddly complexity and Campy's lame plastic. |
Originally Posted by oldnslow2
(Post 20360408)
Do you attribute that to the shifters derailleurs or chainrings/cassette?
Their drivetrains also have a reputation for not being as smooth, but that's not something that everybody notices. |
Originally Posted by onyerleft
(Post 20361357)
I had heard that the Red rear derailleurs are susceptible to breaking.
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Originally Posted by Kimmo
(Post 20365404)
The nasty clunky feeling of SRAM is a result of the elegant shifter mechanism; when pulling the cable, you have to push the lever past the click that releases the cable - it's that simple.
Their drivetrains also have a reputation for not being as smooth, but that's bit something that everybody notices. |
Originally Posted by Kimmo
(Post 20365390)
They could handle pulling the cable pretty damn tight, I believe... the damage happens when you release all that tension. Like I said, this is a potential problem with just about any escapement mechanism, particularly Campy's crappy plastic guts. The way to avoid the damage if you've overshifted one is to release the tension some other way, like pedaling it out or undoing the cable if triple on double.
Detent mechanisms like Campy's good shifters, or downtube levers or gripshift, are totally unfazed. Anyway, the point was that just because SRAM shifter breakages happen, that doesn't make them more vulnerable than any other escapement shifter. In fact, due to their simplicity and large metal wear surfaces, I'm pretty sure they're more durable than Shimano's fiddly complexity and Campy's lame plastic. |
Originally Posted by oldnslow2
(Post 20365438)
Now it's been 2 years since switching from mechanical to eTap but I don't remember and clunky feel. And the Rival 1 on my CX bike shifts amazingly smooth.
I think it feels a bit crap, but I realise it's the price to pay for such a lightweight and robust mechanism. |
Originally Posted by Kimmo
(Post 20366847)
When you pull the cable with a DoubleTap shifter, there are two clicks. Some folks don't like it.
I think it feels a bit crap, but I realise it's the price to pay for such a lightweight and robust mechanism. To each their own. |
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