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What's best out of lugged Italian steel?

Old 06-02-18, 06:32 PM
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What's best out of lugged Italian steel?

I'm in the markety for a new frame. dont really need one but yet i need one somehow.

i want to buy the best out of these:

we have masi that has watered down their brand name and is now made in taiwan or some other country, and is therefore disqualified!

then we have real italian makers:
cinelli supercorsa

colnago master


de rosa neo primato



bottechia leggendari
LEGGENDARIA | Reparto Corse




I'm also considering fa few ENGLISH rames from bob jackson
Off The Peg Frames | Product categories | Bob Jackson Cycles




and mercian https://www.merciancycles.co.uk/
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the question is this: whats the best riding frame out of these makers?? I'm only interested in the in stock/off the peg frames. stuff that i can buy right now! that is in stock. customs i dont care about. sorry.

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I would look at the tubeset. Not the brand or number, but the diameter and wall thickness. When it comes to steel, smaller and thinner are better. They probably have nearly identical geometry.
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get the red one.
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i like red, yes.
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I would look at the tubeset. Not the brand or number, but the diameter and wall thickness. When it comes to steel, smaller and thinner are better. They probably have nearly identical geometry.
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It also depends on what is "best riding" for you?
A little guy that likes climbing will have different criteria to a big guy riding crits etc etc.
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I'm 70 kg and it will be for mostly flat land commuting.
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both bob jackson and mercian will build the frames out of whatever material i want. supposedly.
so the material question in kinda moot. and all steel have the same e-module as raw iron so stiffness of the material is kinda moot too. then we have diameters and angles. and then (with only those 2 parameters) its gets too complicated for any human to compute. so i have to go by recommendations. this one ride harsh and this one rides comfy etc etc etc....
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Something in stainless.

Aside from the rust factor, if you want shiny bits, chrome is heinous stuff.
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That Colnago frame looks awfully plain. Have they toned it down about 10 notches?

I'm still partial to the Colnago Master X-Lite Art Decor.

Keep in mind, Colnago is one of the few manufacturers that still works in custom shaped tubing. It does give the Master, and Master X-Lite (Light) a stunning overall look.



As mentioned above, if you're looking at a couple thousand for a new frame, then also look at domestic USA frames, small custom builders, and stainless. Reynolds 953?
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I own a Colnago Master and the original version of the Bottecchia Leggendaria. Both are great bike with fantastic ride quality. BTW, I love lugged frames, even in carbon. Lugged construction may be old school, but it provides reliable ride characteristics.

Any of the bikes that you mentioned will provide you with a fun, enjoyable ride. I just happen to be personally partial to Colnago and Bottecchia.




And if you have the means, I highly recommend this other Italian...


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Any of those you posted will work just great. Make sure you get the right size/geometry for you and your riding style and build that frame up.

Or, any of the other suggestions made will also work. I'm partial to my mid-80's Pinarello which is actually fully chromed but only the parts meant to show are polished.

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Have you thought about getting an actual classic frameset from the late 80s or 90s?

Last year I built up a 1983 Guerciotti(Columbus SLX tubing) with 1991 Campagnolo Chorus components, and it cost about $1200. The frameset was NOS, and cost $500. I was lucky to find a quality frameset for $500, but there are some great deals to be had if you aren’t in a rush to complete the project.
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Beautiful bike.
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Have you thought about getting an actual classic frameset from the late 80s or 90s?

Last year I built up a 1983 Guerciotti(Columbus SLX tubing) with 1991 Campagnolo Chorus components, and it cost about $1200. The frameset was NOS, and cost $500. I was lucky to find a quality frameset for $500, but there are some great deals to be had if you aren’t in a rush to complete the project.



If you just want a classic bike, it doesn't need to cost a small fortune,
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As I understand it, the grades of steel developed in the 90s make significantly better bikes. I've only ridden a couple of pro-grade steel bikes from the late 90s, but they were pretty special compared to older nice steel bikes I've ridden.
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I'm trying to wrap my head around the intended use for this bike. Flat land commuting. Two items most commuters favor are racks and fenders. I take it you don't have to carry anything, you get to park your bike next to your desk, and the weather forecasters in your region are totally awesome in guaranteeing you a moisture free workday.
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When you buy a bike with Italian aesthetics and chrome lugs it's beauty will be lost on your fellow non-biking coworkers. The best you'll get is "It's very shiny." At the very least take it on some major group rides or tours so you can at least get a few compliments from a few 60 year old dudes.
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That's drool-worthy right there.
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