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Curious About Individual Road Averages? Where We 'Stand'...

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Old 07-11-18, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Abe_Froman View Post
Just out of curiosity...are people and/or strava calculating average mph using speed over total time on the clock, or is this average moving speed? Many of my miles are commutes. I'm looking at my commutes through the city and most are 13-14 mph with red lights, speed bumps and what not.
I go by total time, from when I hit start until when I hit stop.

I average 3 to 4 mph faster when I drive my bike out of the city to ride, for the reasons you mentioned. Mostly lights. Occasionally draw bridges, too, a few days ago I got two of them on one ride.
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Old 07-11-18, 09:33 AM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

"Average" speed is for average people.
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Solo: 16-18 MPH (depending on distance and elevation)
Monday group: 15-16 MPH
Weekend groups and endurance group: 13-15 MPH
Commutes: 11-14 MPH

The local A group tends to average 20-22 MPH. The B group seems a bit unfriendly to unknown women (hi) and sometimes turns into the A group. So, as it turns out, my solo rides are the fastest, at least until I can find (or create) a genuine B/C group with skilled riders who are not interested in rising through the ranks of the racing world.
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I've been averaging in the 14s for my riding. Been trying to get in 10 miles after work before the gym 4 days a week then on saturdays usually a 25ish mile ride which is me and my inlaws. Thinking were gonna start pushing the saturday ride out closer to the 30 to 40 mile range though.
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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
Ooops... tried to post a poll but missed checking a box--

It was to be query as to whether rides are in groups (which changes everything) or, for those who ride alone, whether weekly total distance is more or less than 25 miles and whether average mph is under or over 12 mph.

Two things:


1) Clarification ... did you really mean 25 miles/week?


2) What about you ... how much are you cycling?
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This is from my cyclemeter app I’ve been using to track my rides since I got “serious” 6-7 years ago, so that’s a pretty decent dataset.

Includes everything from 45 mile road races at 25 mph to solo days riding in the mountains at 12 mph. YMMV.
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2013 = 1,965 miles (145.5 miles a week) in 105 hours at 18.7 mph average.
2014 = 8,703 miles (167.3 miles a week) in 450.8 hours at 19.3 mph average
2015 = 9,345 miles (179.7 miles a week) in 476 hours at 19.6 mph average.
2016 = 9,944 miles (191.2 miles a week) in 494.5 hours at 20.1 mph average..
2017 = 8,581 miles (165 miles a week) in 421.5 hours at 20.3 mph average.
2018 = 4,484 miles (163 miles a week) in 226.6 hours at 19.8 mph average.
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Originally Posted by Machka View Post
Two things:


1) Clarification ... did you really mean 25 miles/week?


2) What about you ... how much are you cycling?
I'm at ~30 road bike mi/wk (>12-1/2 miles every third day) riding every day for >60 mi/wk (>30 mi/wk remainder on an indoor trainer)-- getting back my leg after a knee problem but having fun tinkering with my schedule training plan.

For almost a year I've been concentrating on RPMs on the road and have gotten pretty comfortable in no-man's land between mashing (below 80) and spinning (>90). My interest morphed into avg. miles which on the road feels fine but on paper looks pretty slow although last Monday, the 12.6 mph probably is my best average so far.

It seems like -- as with most things, probably -- I can go a faster avg. if I make that metric my emphasis. I noticed that with my standard compact setup, in the big ring I'm doing a little over >12 mph in the 3rd cog from the top at a mid-80s RPM. On my return trip which mostly is against a head wind, going to the next smaller cog (8 lower cogs to go) and/or more 'spinning' seems to be the only way to a meaningful higher avg., which brings me right back to RPMs...
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Old 07-12-18, 10:49 AM
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The last 60 mi ride around Lake Washington - Redmond took me 4.2 hrs including pee/water stops. That gives me 14.28 mph overall avg.
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Solo is all I would consider for avg speed since all my group rides are with teens whose speed depends on how they feel that day.

solo road rides with decent overall climb(So not all rail trail flat and not all mountain riding) is 16mph. That's always what I try to average and come within .5mph +/- each time.
I dont foresee ever averaging significantly more- the power i would have to put out plus the handles i would need to lose seems too much to overcome.
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My best average ever was 17mph on a 10.5 mile route. I had a good tailwind on the last few miles. On 25+ mile rides, I'm somewhere around 12.5- 14... slow. I can get 16.5 mph on a 16 mile route on a good day... nothing great.
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Old 07-12-18, 02:21 PM
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Looks like 15 mph average on the road bike, mostly sorta-rural areas, not much traffic, slowdowns or stops. Unfortunately I'm not fast enough to hamer in group rides so I usually get droped.

12 parsecs on the hybrids. Fast enough for me, old man.
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That's the sort of feedback I hoped to get... ran 12.6 again today so it wasn't a fluke but that's at least 15% more than 12 mph or less since the end of July of last year so... according to the Rule of 72, I can expect to be doing >25 mph in 4.8 years (when I'm nearing 74)... thanks all!
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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
I'm at ~30 road bike mi/wk (>12-1/2 miles every third day) riding every day for >60 mi/wk (>30 mi/wk remainder on an indoor trainer)-- getting back my leg after a knee problem but having fun tinkering with my schedule training plan.

Oh OK ... so you're in recovery mode.
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Originally Posted by Bob Ross View Post
I've said it before and I'll say it again:

"Average" speed is for average people.
Yeah, without knowing what's being averaged and why, it's pretty meaningless. It also seems to me that claims of high average speeds are more an indication of attitude than ability - those who make them are either dismissive of a lot of riding, refuse to take it easy, or something like that. It's also quite funny how people will often make a point of excluding necessarily slow rides or parts of rides, but never exclude the extraordinarily fast ones.

If everything is included - warm-ups, cool-downs, poking through city traffic, etc., "average speed" becomes less a measure of performance and more an indication of how one merely spends time on a bike. Then of course there's the whole issue of topography. Once you start qualifying types of rides and conditions, you're talking about something specific, and if you're going to make comparisons, you have to compare apples to apples. And since every ride is unique, it's practically impossible to talk about qualified averages. For direct comparisons, if you want a trivial statistic, you can average EVERY minute on the bike, but if you want to talk about performance, you have to go head-to-head, and match ride for ride, and unless you have a number of matched rides to work with, you're not comparing the same averages.
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Old 07-13-18, 05:45 AM
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Im not certain of the point of this thread. It would help to put these numbers in context based on age and intent. Obviously us seniors who ride recreationally are going to show different results than a 20 something Cat 1 racer. There are too many variables.

I suggest we we add some background when posting these numbers.
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I'm in my 30s with wife and young children, so most of my miles are commute miles. Usually my moving average is about 17mph, highly dependent on wind conditions and lights. I pass by around 26 traffic signals, so my total average can take a huge hit on some days.

I get between 35-95 miles a week depending on weather and work schedule (some days I have to go to other branches or meetings).
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If everything is included - warm-ups, cool-downs, poking through city traffic, etc., "average speed" becomes less a measure of performance and more an indication of how one merely spends time on a bike. …
True, true, after thinking about it, I realized that too... e.g., back in the day-- at the peak of virility (so that was too long ago to remember... some years before '85) -- I flew into LAX in the dead of night from Chicago -- after spending over a week on the bike in Wisconsin, the Dells, with cicadas chirping the way back to Palatine, IL -- and, changed into my bike duds in the baggage area. The trip down Sepulveda Blvd. was literally, a trip. As it turned out, I just pedaled all the way back home to Pacific Beach in San Diego, the only stop of any moment being a change of bike shorts at Seal Rock in Laguna Beach as the sun rose. Must have been 120 miles if not more and by the time I got home I'm guessing an average probably would have read about 10 mph, despite the fact I really put the foot to the pedal going through Long Beach (which was like riding through the cover of Pink Floyd's, 'Animals' album).
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Originally Posted by Abe_Froman View Post
Just out of curiosity...are people and/or strava calculating average mph using speed over total time on the clock, or is this average moving speed? Many of my miles are commutes. I'm looking at my commutes through the city and most are 13-14 mph with red lights, speed bumps and what not.
That's actually pretty quick for city riding, I think. But I suppose you're on a road bike and get some decent segments between lights. Check out my average speed on Citibike: 8.8 mph! In contrast, there's a local loop I've started doing from my village to "downtown" Englewood and back - suburbia, really, relatively flat, but with its fair share of stoplights. Maybe it's like your commute. On a weekday morning fitness ride where I might be doing 24+ on the "sprint" segments, I might average 16+ (again, including every minute on the bike), but if I don't want to work up a big sweat, yeah, more like 13-14.
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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
Ooops... tried to post a poll but missed checking a box--

It was to be query as to whether rides are in groups (which changes everything) or, for those who ride alone, whether weekly total distance is more or less than 25 miles and whether average mph is under or over 12 mph.
I typically ride alone...61yo...>50 mi a week...hilly terrain (1500 and 1900 elev for 20mi and 30mi respectively)...~13avs. My best long ride to date was last year' Sunrise Century at Clarksville, TN...relatively flat...102.1mi at 13.6avs.

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I don't know about road average (I guess that's the average when you get on an open road and don't stop?). I don't really track that other than what Strava might capture but ... One year I checked the speedometer that hadn't been reset for about a year, and the "average speed" on it was 17.2 mph so that was "average" for when the wheels were moving. I'd say it would be lower than that now, since I also do short errands on the bike.

For the personal stats, I am 59, been riding for a little more than 10 years, 5-7,000 miles per year. My most typical ride is my daily commute, under 8 miles, almost always in the 18-20 mph range going home, probably 15-18 going to work, and the 30-60 mile solo rides are 15-18 total time average +/- depending on hills and heat index.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
........I guess that's the average when you get on an open road and don't stop?)..................
Moving Average while wheels are rotating and Overall Average from start to finish...... simple as that.

Did a 169 mile 68th Birthday Ride on Tuesday in 2 solo segments 13 days after prostate cancer surgery. 1st. segment on Hybrid converted 1983 Waterford Paramount 2nd. segment on 2018 Roubaix Expert

segment 1 ----

Distance

90.23 mi
Distance

Calories

2,428 C
Calories

Heart Rate

121 bpm
Avg HR
151 bpm
Max HR
3.6
Aerobic TE

Timing

6:26:50
Time
5:54:38
Moving Time
6:30:42
Elapsed Time
14.0 mph
Avg Speed
15.3 mph
Avg Moving Speed
18.3 mph
Max. Speed




segment 2 ....

Distance

79.18 mi
Distance

Calories

2,480 C
Calories

Heart Rate

132 bpm
Avg HR
155 bpm
Max HR
3.9
Aerobic TE

Timing

6:10:27
Time
5:10:02
Moving Time
7:12:31
Elapsed Time
12.8 mph
Avg Speed
15.3 mph
Avg Moving Speed
25.4mph
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Moving Average while wheels are rotating and Overall Average from start to finish...... simple as that.
Sure, but which is "road average" that OP was asking about?

Also I'd be inclined to add a third option (which I suspect most people use) which would only include actually traveled on the road. Starting after a half mile in a parking lot for example, or disregarding a mile of MUP or sidewalk.

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Did a 169 mile 68th Birthday Ride on Tuesday in 2 solo segments 13 days after prostate cancer surgery. 1st. segment on Hybrid converted 1983 Waterford Paramount 2nd. segment on 2018 Roubaix Expert
Nice ride!
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So many others kind enough to play so I'll play too.

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7/8/18
73.7 miles
5502'
Time rolling: 5:00:15
Rolling average: 14.7
Elapsed time: 5:57.23
Average HR: 119
Max HR: 137
2409 Kj (est.)
Avg. power 133w (est.)

I was 15' faster last year = ~1 mph faster, and avg. HR 122. Statins suck, but I love my wife. Whaddya do . . .
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The differential of average speed while moving and average speed based on elapsed time is a meaningless number. I often do a 50-60 mile ride out to have lunch with my wife. Between the lunch and stoplights on the way there and back, my move ratio might be 0.66.

On another day, I might do 40, 50, or 60 miles and never dismount the bike. Might do 30 miles and never touch a foot to the ground. Whether the move ratio is 1.00 or 0.50 tells nothing of the ride's intensity.
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