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You ever wind up racing a random person on your solo ride?

Old 07-23-18, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kauaikit View Post
Absolutely......I'm always looking for a bike race, while riding solo to get in my cardio workout, especially the high priced Spandex riders. Ok, so I'm getting a little help from stored electrons!

One time I was riding on a slightly downhill mountain road and came across a hard-core spandex rider going around 20mph & I asked if he wanted to race. I was curious his top speed. He looked at this old(er) rider on a heavy MTB with a smirk, & said "go for it". I went to 38-40mph and this smartass didn't even know what he was up against!

I'm riding an American designed and assembled '05 Wavecrest Tidalforce M-750X. It a rear hub (25lbs) that uses a 7 post internal sine-wave controller putting out around 1900 watts @ 59amps, with a 40.7v/11s (46.2v charged) lithium battery on a Montague Paratrooper frame. DARPA was involved in using this tech ebike for the Military.
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Old 07-24-18, 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval View Post
Great plan until they make a last second swerve around a gaping pothole that you then cream.

Total zero then.
Think as he said for most people who can maintain a 23 mph pace for a good amount of time should have good bike skills .took me well over a year and at least ten thousand miles, I ride 9 w in NY every week and on a weekend u see 4000 to 5000 riders out there people hop on wheels all the time I have never once seen a accident and to date I have well over 50.000 miles on that route so as long as u ride alot don't think people will be crashing much
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Originally Posted by ridingfool View Post
so as long as u ride alot don't think people will be crashing much
That's a nice thought, but crashes happen all the time, even to the most experienced riders.
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval View Post
That's a nice thought, but crashes happen all the time, even to the most experienced riders.
But the point was clearly that they don’t happen any more or less when a stranger drafts you.

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Originally Posted by ridingfool View Post
Think as he said for most people who can maintain a 23 mph pace for a good amount of time should have good bike skills .took me well over a year and at least ten thousand miles, I ride 9 w in NY every week and on a weekend u see 4000 to 5000 riders out there people hop on wheels all the time I have never once seen a accident and to date I have well over 50.000 miles on that route so as long as u ride alot don't think people will be crashing much
Oh yeah - on weekends it's almost impossible to NOT hop on or get latched onto at some point - especially south of Piermont, and when folks are headed back to the city. When people talk about the "dangers" of pacelining strangers, it's hard to imagine - unless they're talking about a little rail trail or something.

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My name is CAT7RDR for a reason. I am a recovering CAT6 weekend warrior that used to engage in petty races with other CAT6 types on the MUPS. Pure folly on my part.

I have reformed the errors of my ways and now ride for my pure enjoyment. I transformed myself to enjoy climbing local hills and canyons and avoid MUPS except as a byway to get to the climbs.
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Old 07-24-18, 06:14 AM
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Congrats on your upgrade.

But what's CAT8?

Sounds like a bad feline joke.
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Old 07-24-18, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster View Post

But the point was clearly that they don’t happen any more or less when a stranger drafts you.

That's not a point, that's random speculation and one based solely on his inexperience with the matter.

I've seen crashes happen multiple times when someone drafting hits something in the road that wasn't pointed out, and that's WHEN other people know that said people are drafting.
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval View Post
That's not a point, that's random speculation and one based solely on his inexperience with the matter.

I've seen crashes happen multiple times when someone drafting hits something in the road that wasn't pointed out, and that's WHEN other people know that said people are drafting.
No, the point is: the fact that it's a stranger doesn't increase the hazard. As long as we're talking about open roads that are genuinely suitable for training by racers (and swarmed by "serious cyclists" as 9W is) and not MUPs and the like, I'd even venture to say that it reduces the hazard because people tend to be more cautious and alert in such situations, and tend to relax their vigilance when riding with old friends on easy-going routes and social rides. Anyone who hasn't seen this is pretty inexperienced. People will ride for miles and miles with squirrelly riders they happen to know, but won't spend a second more than they have to near them if they are strangers
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Originally Posted by kbarch View Post
No, the point is: the fact that it's a stranger doesn't increase the hazard. As long as we're talking about open roads that are genuinely suitable for training by racers (and swarmed by "serious cyclists" as 9W is) and not MUPs and the like, I'd even venture to say that it reduces the hazard because people tend to be more cautious and alert in such situations, and tend to relax their vigilance when riding with old friends on easy-going routes and social rides. Anyone who hasn't seen this is pretty inexperienced. People will ride for miles and miles with squirrelly riders they happen to know, but won't spend a second more than they have to near them if they are strangers
Yeah, it does.

In addition, the hazard is increased that much more if you don't even know the person is there.

As for easy-going routes and social rides with people you know: but how many crashes occur in gran fondos and charity rides with people you don't?! Lots. Random strangers who don't have a clue how to ride around other people.
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Old 07-24-18, 08:29 AM
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This is true about gran fondos and the charity rides but like I said before alot of riders on those rides can't ride a paceline of 25 mph.so those riders will and do cause accidents I have no problem with someone latching on my wheel if they can maintain my speed as most don't mind if I latch on there's I kinda know who can ride just by a mile of riding behind them if they can handle a bike or not
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Originally Posted by kauaikit View Post
Il"logical"....if you mean I took this arrogant high priced $6k rider down a few notches, yes he cried like a little f*ck'n ***** all the way home.

Now, do you want to hear of the time I raced a punk-ass kid riding a 2 stroke motorized bicycle down the same road I ride when getting in my cardio workout?

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Old 07-24-18, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Colnago Mixte View Post


Congrats on your upgrade.

But what's CAT8?

Sounds like a bad feline joke.
Q:But what's CAT8?
A: His 9th life, drafting a CAT6 on the MUP.
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Originally Posted by rubiksoval View Post
Yeah, it does.

In addition, the hazard is increased that much more if you don't even know the person is there.

As for easy-going routes and social rides with people you know: but how many crashes occur in gran fondos and charity rides with people you don't?! Lots. Random strangers who don't have a clue how to ride around other people.
Hold on....
Are we talking about wheel-sucking, or are we talking about half-wheeling? Half-wheeling is ALWAYS a bad idea, but it's rampant in Gran Fondos, and the way some are so careless about it when riding with friends.... Oy! it's alarming.

Meanwhile, riders who "don't have a clue" are more hazardous in front than they are behind, so honestly, as long as they don't half-wheel, I'd rather they attempt to draft than attempt to pull, or otherwise get in the way.

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I cant tell if you're serious, or are trolling. Either way you're pretty entertaining. Carry on. I'll decide later if I've been laughing with or at you
You're clearly laughing at this putz, like we all are.
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Originally Posted by kbarch View Post
Hold on....
Are we talking about wheel-sucking, or are we talking about half-wheeling? Half-wheeling is ALWAYS a bad idea, but it's rampant in Gran Fondos, and the way some are so careless about it when riding with friends.... Oy! it's alarming.

Meanwhile, riders who "don't have a clue" are more hazardous in front than they are behind, so honestly, as long as they don't half-wheel, I'd rather they attempt to draft than attempt to pull, or otherwise get in the way.
That was in response to your "riding with strangers not being hazardous" quip.

I was initially talking about people hitting obstacles they don't see because they're riding behind someone, or riding into someone from behind when that person doesn't know they're there and takes unexpected action (sitting up, braking, turning).

In any and all cases, not situations where I want to be around people whose skill level is likely suspect and potentially dangerous to myself and themself.
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Originally Posted by ridingfool View Post
This is true about gran fondos and the charity rides but like I said before alot of riders on those rides can't ride a paceline of 25 mph.so those riders will and do cause accidents I have no problem with someone latching on my wheel if they can maintain my speed as most don't mind if I latch on there's I kinda know who can ride just by a mile of riding behind them if they can handle a bike or not
Again, to your point, what does that matter?

As an example, good bike handlers can generally bunny hop pretty well, too. But what good does that do you if the person you're following, being such a good bike handler and all, suddenly bunnyhops a crater that you then clobber?

If someone knows they're there and all is well, then all is well. Just rolling up on someone without them knowing, though, is foolhardy.
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E-bike "kill stories" in a Cat 6 racing thread. This is peak bikeforums. We did it!
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Have a read. I think this may surprise you. Two bike lengths is 10 ft. Six is 30 ft. Even at 60 ft--10 bike lengths, there is still 3% reduction in drag. (see bolded part below).

Wheelsucking has a much more negative connotation, I agree, but you're still benefiting from someone else's work.

'Looking at our first plot, we can see that even at a following distance of 15m, there is still a 9% reduction in drag. Extending out to 20m, it tapers off to 3%, which is negligible for the purposes of gaining a noticeable performance advantage. The 12m draft zone allowed in Ironman events still appears to be within the sweet spot of “getting free speed”, which is why some pros have recently been outspoken about the impact this has on formation of a “peloton” in a sport that should remain an individual effort."

.https://triathlonmagazine.ca/feature...ect-your-bike/
Maybe it works that way for triathletes - I can say that more than once I've been dropped from a paceline in a headwind if for some distraction/wrong move the gap reaches more than 1 bike length. I had no problems hanging on at 30-40cm from their wheel.
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E-bike "kill stories" in a Cat 6 racing thread. This is peak bikeforums. We did it!
I love it. It's like the good ol' days. I keep checking the dates to make sure it's not a zombie thread.
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Did R600DuraAce get an E bike?
Hey! Have some respect. He would never . . .
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Hey! Have some respect. He would never . . .
Also, his watt dial only went up to 400. This guy's goes to 1,000!!!!
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E-bike "kill stories" in a Cat 6 racing thread. This is peak bikeforums. We did it!


Though this particular thread turn did lead to me reading an article about Wavecrest and Tidalforce-- Re-Inventing the Wheel: The Strange Saga of Tidalforce. Pretty interesting stuff.
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Though this particular thread turn did lead to me reading an article about Wavecrest and Tidalforce-- Re-Inventing the Wheel: The Strange Saga of Tidalforce. Pretty interesting stuff.
That is interesting. An idea before its time, given how far batteries have come as far as storage capacity vs. weight in the last 15 years.
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This is what happens when you draft a stranger in the Alps!
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