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RShantz 07-21-18 12:29 PM

Electronic shifting - interesting observation
 
I was on a group ride today and noticed something interesting near the end of the ride. There were 8 of us left and I knew all of them. They all ride between 8-12k miles a year. For our area, they are all considered "A" riders.

There were 3 bikes with etap and 3 with Di2. Only 2 mechanical. Is that ratio common based on rides in your area?

I just never thought electronic shifting would be so popular so fast.

colnago62 07-21-18 02:11 PM

That would be high for the people I know. However, I don’t know many people doing that level of mileage. The price of Ultegra DI2 is very close to mechanical Dura Ace.

noodle soup 07-21-18 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by RShantz (Post 20461293)
I just never thought electronic shifting would be so popular so fast.

Have you tried Di2? Use Di2 for 500+ miles, and then tell me what you think.

Steve B. 07-21-18 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by noodle soup (Post 20461414)
Have you tried Di2? Use Di2 for 500+ miles, and then tell me what you think.

This.

Was it worth a grand to upgrade ?, that’s kind of hard to answer. It works very, very well, I’m actually suppressed at how well, but tha was a chunk of change.

And I know I won’t buy another road bike without it.

RShantz 07-21-18 04:41 PM

I'm one of the guys with etap and am very satisfied. I was just shocked at the % of electronic at the end of todays ride.

WhyFi 07-21-18 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by RShantz (Post 20461569)
I'm one of the guys with etap and am very satisfied. I was just shocked at the % of electronic at the end of todays ride.

Well, it doesn't exactly sound like a random sampling.

Marcus_Ti 07-21-18 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by RShantz (Post 20461293)
I was on a group ride today and noticed something interesting near the end of the ride. There were 8 of us left and I knew all of them. They all ride between 8-12k miles a year. For our area, they are all considered "A" riders.

There were 3 bikes with etap and 3 with Di2. Only 2 mechanical. Is that ratio common based on rides in your area?

I just never thought electronic shifting would be so popular so fast.


My Di2 rig is one of 5 or so Di2 rigs known to LBSes in the entire county.

Bah Humbug 07-21-18 07:08 PM

The numbers would increase a lot quicker if manufacturers didn't charge a $2k premium for Di2 where the parts premium is a fraction of that.

colnago62 07-21-18 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 20461715)
The numbers would increase a lot quicker if manufacturers didn't charge a $2k premium for Di2 where the parts premium is a fraction of that.

when Di2 first hit the market, it was over the top expensive. It has come down a lot since then. I think the Ultegra 8000r Di2 is the best bang for your buck. But really, mechanical is so good now, other than then maintenance aspect, it really really gives very good performance compared with electronic shifting.

rm -rf 07-21-18 08:36 PM

I was on a group ride recently, and we hit an unexpected very short, steep climb at a bend in the road. All the riders climbing while seated, in a reasonable gear, had electric shifting. The rest were grinding up in a way too high gear. The instant and drama free front and rear shifts are really nice on rides with lots of small rollers, or on these sudden situations.

A couple of years ago, even one or two Di2 bikes out of 12-20 riders was somewhat unusual. Now I notice maybe two to six on a ride of that size.

RGMN 07-21-18 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by noodle soup (Post 20461414)
Have you tried Di2? Use Di2 for 500+ miles, and then tell me what you think.

I rode Di2 Ultegra for a season. Couldn't get it off the bike fast enough at the end of the season. Switched the bike to mechanical DA and was MUCH happier. But all my cars are manual transmission so I wasn't too surprised.

TimothyH 07-21-18 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by RShantz (Post 20461293)
I just never thought electronic shifting would be so popular so fast.

Di2 has been around since 2009.


-Tim-

GlennR 07-21-18 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by RGMN (Post 20461842)
But all my cars are manual transmission so I wasn't too surprised.

Funny, but my Subaru shifts quicker and gets better MPG with the CVT vs the manual. All modern race cars have electronic shifting.

noodle soup 07-21-18 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by RGMN (Post 20461842)
I rode Di2 Ultegra for a season. Couldn't get it off the bike fast enough at the end of the season. Switched the bike to mechanical DA and was MUCH happier. But all my cars are manual transmission so I wasn't too surprised.

Di2 is full a manual transmission

Seattle Forrest 07-21-18 10:03 PM


Originally Posted by rm -rf (Post 20461826)
I was on a group ride recently, and we hit an unexpected very short, steep climb at a bend in the road. All the riders climbing while seated, in a reasonable gear, had electric shifting. The rest were grinding up in a way too high gear. The instant and drama free front and rear shifts are really nice on rides with lots of small rollers, or on these sudden situations.

I always shifted a lot. But I shift a lot more now. I'll shift when I know I'll have to shift again 20 seconds later, because it's like you said. Got 40 miles in today, shifted the RD 1,138 times. (So says my Garmin. I'm sure it counts each cog as a shift when you go a few gears at a time.) I'm always in the right gear.

Bunch of rollers? God I love auto-trim.

robbyville 07-21-18 10:42 PM

Our area and bike club is an anomaly I’m sure but on a typical small group ride of 10-12 regulars we will easily be 50-50 mechanical vs Electronic sometimes even more electronic. During the bigger rides where we have 20 plus it’s still close to 35% electronic shifting. In peak winter season, our Saturday rides can easily have over 100 people with visitors and seasonal residents, always surprised at the number of electronic shifting.

colnago62 07-21-18 11:49 PM


Originally Posted by RGMN (Post 20461842)
I rode Di2 Ultegra for a season. Couldn't get it off the bike fast enough at the end of the season. Switched the bike to mechanical DA and was MUCH happier. But all my cars are manual transmission so I wasn't too surprised.

Cancellara didn’t like it either, so your in good company. I would say try the new stuff. Shimano has added in a little more feel to the buttons. It is much easier to feel and know has shifted than with the 9000 Di2.

Racing Dan 07-22-18 01:26 AM


Originally Posted by rm -rf (Post 20461826)
I was on a group ride recently, and we hit an unexpected very short, steep climb at a bend in the road. All the riders climbing while seated, in a reasonable gear, had electric shifting. The rest were grinding up in a way too high gear. The instant and drama free front and rear shifts are really nice on rides with lots of small rollers, or on these sudden situations.

A couple of years ago, even one or two Di2 bikes out of 12-20 riders was somewhat unusual. Now I notice maybe two to six on a ride of that size.

Yeah, even if front shifting is improving, it is still is the weak link in mechanical, to the point many are still reluctant to shift the rings unless they absolutely must. I see this all the time, grinding in the big ring up the hills, cross chaining and stop/start in the big ring. The long lever throw (shimano), when shifting from the drops, is an other issue (mostly for the girls), - Definitely DI is better even if mechanical is very good too.

Bah Humbug 07-22-18 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by oldnslow2 (Post 20461880)
Funny, but my Subaru shifts quicker and gets better MPG with the CVT vs the manual. All modern race cars have electronic shifting.

Some people still enjoy the feel of using a clutch pedal and physically moving the shifter from gear to gear. I miss it, but not in the city I drive in now.

GlennR 07-22-18 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 20462083)
Some people still enjoy the feel of using a clutch pedal and physically moving the shifter from gear to gear. I miss it, but not in the city I drive in now.

True, but it's less efficient.

jwalther 07-22-18 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by RGMN (Post 20461842)
I rode Di2 Ultegra for a season. Couldn't get it off the bike fast enough at the end of the season. Switched the bike to mechanical DA and was MUCH happier. But all my cars are manual transmission so I wasn't too surprised.

I just converted my DA 9100 to 9150 and love it (so far anyway). I drive a manual e46 ZHP. Best of both worlds!

Ghazmh 07-22-18 06:51 AM

I have put about 8000 miles on my R3 with 6870 since the beginning of 2015 and 4400 miles on my Roubaix with 6800 since the beginning of 2017. Di2 sure is nice. I am in the planning stages for my next bike and it's either going to have the new Dura Ace Di2 or eTap. I haven't decided yet. I can't warm up to that awful fugly Dura Ace crankset.

Riveting 07-22-18 06:51 AM

On a 7 person group ride a few weeks ago, I was the only one with Di2, but I was also the ONLY one with rim brakes!

Sub-thread: What's the Di2 to disc brake ratio in your groups?

on the path 07-22-18 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by rm -rf (Post 20461826)
I was on a group ride recently, and we hit an unexpected very short, steep climb at a bend in the road. All the riders climbing while seated, in a reasonable gear, had electric shifting. The rest were grinding up in a way too high gear. The instant and drama free front and rear shifts are really nice on rides with lots of small rollers, or on these sudden situations.

A couple of years ago, even one or two Di2 bikes out of 12-20 riders was somewhat unusual. Now I notice maybe two to six on a ride of that size.

Unexpected? Really? Was there a leader, was there any planning? Group rides I do the leader and perhaps others will give verbal warnings en route.. gravel, bad pavement ahead, tight turn, small ring, etc.

GlennR 07-22-18 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by on the path (Post 20462221)
Unexpected? Really? Was there a leader, was there any planning? Group rides I do the leader and perhaps others will give verbal warnings en route.. gravel, bad pavement ahead, tight turn, small ring, etc.

Agreed... you should of heard someone yell out GEAR DOWN, HILL.


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