On my right! On my right!
07-26-18, 02:58 AM
#53
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 2,430
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 739 Post(s)
Liked 410 Times
in
229 Posts
Originally Posted by memebag
Pedestrians do not have to signal.
07-26-18, 04:00 AM
#54
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 4,286
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1096 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Originally Posted by memebag
No, I wouldn't change lanes on an interstate without checking my mirrors. MUP is not an interstate. People are free to walk anywhere they want on it.
We are discussing cyclists riding on MUPs with pedestrians. I am asking them to announce before they pass.
We are discussing cyclists riding on MUPs with pedestrians. I am asking them to announce before they pass.
07-26-18, 05:44 AM
#55
Senior Member
Originally Posted by jitteringjr
Of course they can but if they walk all Willy nilly all over it without ever looking back to see if they have space to move over, then they are inviting a collision just as if they were to blindly merge lanes on an interstate without looking behind them too.
Unless I missed it, nobody here was suggesting otherwise up to this point.
Since we are going faster and are on a vehicle, the burden is on us to avoid collisions with pedestrians on MUPs. Just like we would like that burden to be on car drivers on roads.
07-26-18, 06:01 AM
#56
Randomhead
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Happy Valley, Pennsylvania
Posts: 23,293
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Liked 2,845 Times
in
1,957 Posts
Not sure what I would do if someone yelled out, "on my right." Probably just hold my line and hope they were smart enough to miss me.
I recall swerving left when someone yelled out "on your left." Of course, they were a few feet behind me so the swerve was mostly just a startle reaction to being yelled at from such a short distance. I figure the best results are to yell out "passing" when I'm far enough back that people have time to process the new information. Works most of the time unless the people involved are self-absorbed jerks.
I recall swerving left when someone yelled out "on your left." Of course, they were a few feet behind me so the swerve was mostly just a startle reaction to being yelled at from such a short distance. I figure the best results are to yell out "passing" when I'm far enough back that people have time to process the new information. Works most of the time unless the people involved are self-absorbed jerks.
07-26-18, 11:46 AM
#57
Senior Member
Originally Posted by memebag
Since we are going faster and are on a vehicle, the burden is on us to avoid collisions with pedestrians on MUPs. Just like we would like that burden to be on car drivers on roads.
07-26-18, 11:57 AM
#58
Senior Member
Originally Posted by jitteringjr
Reqaurdless of what the other guy does, if you are a pedestrian who walks out silly nilly across a path with bikes on it or a road with cars on it without looking to see if it is clear, you are deserving of the impending Darwin Award. Same goes for cyclists who don’t look.
07-26-18, 07:55 PM
#59
Senior Member
Originally Posted by memebag
No, no one walking on a MUP deserves to be hit by a bike. No matter how silly nilly. Slow down, announce your passes, take responsibility for your behavior. It isn't hard.
07-26-18, 08:37 PM
#61
Senior Member
Originally Posted by Sy Reene
What do they yell out in the UK?
07-26-18, 10:00 PM
#62
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Nor Cal
Posts: 6,016
Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1814 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 919 Times
in
567 Posts
Don't spend much time on MUPs but Wed. eve. ride includes one.
Coming home, dusk, light on. Person ahead- can see reflective shoe bits.
It is a man running backward. Confused, but it is over soon.
Coming home, dusk, light on. Person ahead- can see reflective shoe bits.
It is a man running backward. Confused, but it is over soon.
07-26-18, 10:30 PM
#63
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 23,208
Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18880 Post(s)
Liked 10,640 Times
in
6,050 Posts
Never heard "on my right!" before. But I got passed on the right twice today! The first one was my fault. 
07-27-18, 12:20 AM
#64
☢
Ignore it, that's what I do. And instead follow conventional wisdom: pass on the left. Under no circumstances should anybody try to reinvent the wheel. Following road rules is safer, and the law.
07-27-18, 10:57 AM
#65
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Iowa
Posts: 239
Bikes: Fuji Gran Fondo 2.1 and Scott Sportster P45
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 81 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I pass a runner everyday who thinks he is smart by running at you in my right his left. One of these days as i ride by, i'm going to kick him.....LOL
07-27-18, 11:04 AM
#66
Junior Member
Originally Posted by memebag
Since we are going faster and are on a vehicle, the burden is on us to avoid collisions with pedestrians on MUPs. Just like we would like that burden to be on car drivers on roads.
07-27-18, 12:07 PM
#67
☢
Originally Posted by memebag
No, no one walking on a MUP deserves to be hit by a bike. No matter how silly nilly. Slow down, announce your passes, take responsibility for your behavior. It isn't hard.
07-27-18, 12:12 PM
#68
Senior Member
Originally Posted by sunnyone
Totally agree with this. Share the MUP, and show the same courtesy that you would want the driver of a car to show you on a shared roadway.
Originally Posted by KraneXL
False. That responsibility is share equally on both sides. No one is more or less responsible than the other.
Sure, the pedestrian, in the interest of self preservation might want to be aware of his surroundings. But he poses no direct threat to anyone. Same as a cyclist on the rode....they can close their eyes and sprint through red lights, and they're not going to endanger one person in a vehicle. The drivers are the ones that pose a lethal threat to others.
07-27-18, 03:37 PM
#69
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 4,286
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1096 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Originally Posted by Abe_Froman
...Responsibility always lies with the one who is creating a dangerous situation. People walking at 3mph are not a danger to anyone, no matter what they do.
... Same as a cyclist on the road....they can close their eyes and sprint through red lights, and they're not going to endanger one person in a vehicle. The drivers are the ones that pose a lethal threat to others.
... Same as a cyclist on the road....they can close their eyes and sprint through red lights, and they're not going to endanger one person in a vehicle. The drivers are the ones that pose a lethal threat to others.
That said, I'll go out on a limb and say that, unless it's divided and well-marked, and there is a steady stream of high-speed riders on the MUP in question, riders who don't keep their speed below 15 mph in the presence of pedestrians are negligent.
07-27-18, 03:41 PM
#70
Senior Member
Originally Posted by kbarch
Not quite. It's about something more important than "creating a dangerous situation," it's about what reasonable people do to avoid harm. The cyclist who sprints blindly through a red light and inattentive pedestrians on busy MUPS do, in fact, create hazards. It doesn't matter who could cause the most harm to whom. What matters is who is most negligent. I don't know about you, but I don't want to run into ANY 100-200 lb object with my bike or my car. If such an object were a log or a deer or something, we couldn't blame them, but people? Not only can we blame them for their own injuries, we can blame them for any damage or inconvenience to us when they are negligent and we are exercising caution.
That said, I'll go out on a limb and say that, unless it's divided and well-marked, and there is a steady stream of high-speed riders on the MUP in question, riders who don't keep their speed below 15 mph in the presence of pedestrians are negligent.
That said, I'll go out on a limb and say that, unless it's divided and well-marked, and there is a steady stream of high-speed riders on the MUP in question, riders who don't keep their speed below 15 mph in the presence of pedestrians are negligent.
07-27-18, 04:38 PM
#71
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 23,208
Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18880 Post(s)
Liked 10,640 Times
in
6,050 Posts
Originally Posted by memebag
No, no one walking on a MUP deserves to be hit by a bike. No matter how silly nilly. Slow down, announce your passes, take responsibility for your behavior. It isn't hard.
Otherwise, I agree 100 %.
07-27-18, 04:41 PM
#72
serious cyclist
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 19,516
Bikes: S1, R2, P2
Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8318 Post(s)
Liked 3,032 Times
in
1,615 Posts
How long until this goes to A&S?
07-27-18, 04:57 PM
#73
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 4,286
Mentioned: 21 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1096 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Originally Posted by memebag
What are your MUPs like? A "busy MUP" around here is covered with little kids running back and forth across it. There are water fountains, benches, etc along the path. It isn't a road. It isn't built for high speed. It's a place people walk, meander, stop and talk, etc.
One is the West Side Greenway. It is often used as sort of a cyclist's highway, but only parts of it are really suitable as such. Much of it is well marked, and some stretches are decidedly un-parklike maybe the occasional intrepid runner, but certainly no little kids, or anything for anyone to cross the path for on those parts. Sometimes, on those parts, you really want to be pushing 20mph or so, unless you want to get run over.
However, many other parts, like you say, can be crawling with little kids, and the water fountains, benches, etc. are right there - all kinds of reasons for people to cross or randomly enter. I don't know of mishaps on account of speeding cyclists there, but they do create a hostile atmosphere at times.The other is a paved rail trail up in Rockland County. There are a fair number of dog-walkers and such, but because much of it is very straight and open, you can often see opportunities for kicking it up a notch for a little bit when the coast is clear. There is a park with a playground where the trail goes through a town, but other than that, there are no park amenities - it's just a long paved path, and again, no reason anyone would ever be crossing or entering it in the middle.
Last edited by kbarch; 07-27-18 at 05:02 PM.
07-27-18, 08:40 PM
#74
☢
Originally Posted by memebag
What are your MUPs like? A "busy MUP" around here is covered with little kids running back and forth across it. There are water fountains, benches, etc along the path. It isn't a road. It isn't built for high speed. It's a place people walk, meander, stop and talk, etc.
07-27-18, 08:52 PM
#75
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,330
Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo
Mentioned: 353 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20611 Post(s)
Liked 9,283 Times
in
4,597 Posts
Originally Posted by SpeedofLite
On an organized ride in Utah this past weekend, I saw a rider coming up fast behind me in my mirror. He was shouting "ON MY RIGHT!" repeatedly. My first thought was he meant he was passing me on my right, but since I was already riding far right, there was no room for him to pass so I held my line. He just kept coming and passed me on the left as is conventional. Then it dawned on me that On My Right is technically the same phrase as On Your Left, just a bit more complex and non-conventional for the rider being passed, at least for this recent midwest transplant to the southwest. Has anyone else heard On My Right from a passing rider? Is this a new thing? Or an old thing I never heard before 2 days ago? Or a southwestern US thing that I never heard during 40 years of riding in the midwest US?
That's enough for now. But things did get a bit more weird at the finish....
That's enough for now. But things did get a bit more weird at the finish....
