How to gain speed on 2018 Specialized Diverge?
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How to gain speed on 2018 Specialized Diverge?
Hey, I bought a 2018 specialized diverge e5, a few weeks ago . It is the cheapest model, with Claris gear set.
I bought it mostly because the geometry is really comfortable for me, I can spend more time riding it, than on 100% dedicated bike (I used to ride an old Cannondale caad3 -r600)
I ride it on the road 95% of the time so, the off-road capabilities aren't really too important for me. The comfort is great, It really seems to fit me perfectly, also, disk breaks are really good for Mexico City's weather, and constantly stop and go riding conditions (due to traffic). But, I really miss the speed and agility of my old Cannondale.
I'm thinking of replacing the chainrings for bigger ones and mounting some thinner tires, so I'm looking for some suggestions. Any ideas?
will the Axis Sport Disc wheels hold 700x25 tires? is it a good idea to put some 50-36 chainrings, instead of the stock 46-34?
Hope you guys can help
I bought it mostly because the geometry is really comfortable for me, I can spend more time riding it, than on 100% dedicated bike (I used to ride an old Cannondale caad3 -r600)
I ride it on the road 95% of the time so, the off-road capabilities aren't really too important for me. The comfort is great, It really seems to fit me perfectly, also, disk breaks are really good for Mexico City's weather, and constantly stop and go riding conditions (due to traffic). But, I really miss the speed and agility of my old Cannondale.
I'm thinking of replacing the chainrings for bigger ones and mounting some thinner tires, so I'm looking for some suggestions. Any ideas?
will the Axis Sport Disc wheels hold 700x25 tires? is it a good idea to put some 50-36 chainrings, instead of the stock 46-34?
Hope you guys can help
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You may be confusing agility with speed. Yes, a road racing geometry bike will be more agile, but it won't necessarily be faster. As for tires, the 700 x 30 tires on your bike probably don't have more rolling resistance than a 700 x 25 tire of the same construction and quality. The bigger tire will be heavier, but all that means is that it will be a bit more difficult to accelerate, not that you will be able to ride at steady speeds faster with a tire that is only 5 mm narrower. Gearing? I raced for years on a bike that had a 48 tooth big ring. Even with only 48 teeth, I seldom had to use my highest cassette cog to keep up in a race, when speeds could go well above 50 kph. Your new bike is quite different than your old one. Have you been able to compare your speeds on routes that you have done on both bikes? My guess is that you probably are not riding any slower than you did before. Correct me if I am wrong. Your new bike is the type that makes faster speeds seem slower than they are
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Specialized claims that the Espoir Sport, 60 TPI tires have "low rolling resistance" but I have a hard time believing it.
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Looks like a sweet urban bike with nice gearing for climbs.
I would Not change a thing and ride it until you wear out tires and components. If you then change your mind, you can always upgrade or make it more to your riding style.
I would Not change a thing and ride it until you wear out tires and components. If you then change your mind, you can always upgrade or make it more to your riding style.
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How heavy are the stock tires? Even if you stick with the current size, higher-end tires may be much lighter weight, which will be noticeable when you accelerate (which is often in stop-and-go traffic). Also think about your handlebar position. Adjusting the handlebar height or reach can make your bike more responsive (depending on your body shape and riding style, etc).
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With 95% of your time on the road, sell it an buy a lighter and higher performance Trek Emonda with H2 geometry that you can replicate your position on. A 15 lb bike versus an almost 20 lb bike. The Diverge with FS is a heavy bike and you spending virtually all you time on the road versus off, why own a bike to slow you down. An endurance road bike...not the FS Roubaix which is also a heavy bike...is more efficient for spirited riding on pavement with friendly geometry.
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What kind of speed are you looking for? You can purchase a FC-2000 with 50-34 for ~$60US.
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Wind resistance is a major barrier to "speed". A more aerodynamic position will allow you to go faster. Gearing is very rarely a limiter.
Lighter wheels and tires may feel livlier and make a small difference.
Lighter wheels and tires may feel livlier and make a small difference.
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You may be confusing agility with speed. Yes, a road racing geometry bike will be more agile, but it won't necessarily be faster. As for tires, the 700 x 30 tires on your bike probably don't have more rolling resistance than a 700 x 25 tire of the same construction and quality. The bigger tire will be heavier, but all that means is that it will be a bit more difficult to accelerate, not that you will be able to ride at steady speeds faster with a tire that is only 5 mm narrower. Gearing? I raced for years on a bike that had a 48 tooth big ring. Even with only 48 teeth, I seldom had to use my highest cassette cog to keep up in a race, when speeds could go well above 50 kph. Your new bike is quite different than your old one. Have you been able to compare your speeds on routes that you have done on both bikes? My guess is that you probably are not riding any slower than you did before. Correct me if I am wrong. Your new bike is the type that makes faster speeds seem slower than they are
Anyways, I love the new bike and intend to keep it. It is tougher than a 100% road bike, and that is a great feature, given the road conditions here in CDMX. Also bought the cheapest model, thinking on possible further upgrades and mods...
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How heavy are the stock tires? Even if you stick with the current size, higher-end tires may be much lighter weight, which will be noticeable when you accelerate (which is often in stop-and-go traffic). Also think about your handlebar position. Adjusting the handlebar height or reach can make your bike more responsive (depending on your body shape and riding style, etc).
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Good tires but-- look for a good buy on Vittoria's Rubino G... I'd have 28s all-around but can't fit more than a 25 on the rear of my rig. Love a 28 on the front tho...
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A 28mm GP4000SII would definitely lower the weight (30mm Espoir Sports are over 400g each), but the biggest gain from a good performance-oriented tire would likely be lower rolling resistance.
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BTW, I also have a 2018 Diverge which I also really like.
Mark
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use the diverge for city riding and set up your cannondale for track riding. Boom, done.
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About "rolling resistance" vs "air resistance". Sure, a 30mm tire might not have a worse rolling resistance than say a 25mm tire. But, at higher speed, say 18+ mph (28 kph), then air resistance becomes more dominant, and MUCH more dominant the higher the speed. So to grade a tire's performance solely on "rolling resistance" is an incomplete picture. I've read many mentioning that in order to have the optimal air resistance profile, the tire (when fully inflated to riding PSI) should be just about a tad narrower than the width of the rim as this will give the most optimal airflow laminar. Chances are, a 30mm tire sitting on your rim right now give the wheel that overall "bulbous" profile, and this bulbous profile will slow you down as the speed goes up significantly. Remember air resistance increase as the square of speed, where as rolling resistance does not. In fact a narrow tire with worse rolling resistance at low speed can end up being faster at higher speed as air resistance becomes dominant factor.
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About "rolling resistance" vs "air resistance". Sure, a 30mm tire might not have a worse rolling resistance than say a 25mm tire. But, at higher speed, say 18+ mph (28 kph), then air resistance becomes more dominant, and MUCH more dominant the higher the speed. So to grade a tire's performance solely on "rolling resistance" is an incomplete picture. I've read many mentioning that in order to have the optimal air resistance profile, the tire (when fully inflated to riding PSI) should be just about a tad narrower than the width of the rim as this will give the most optimal airflow laminar. Chances are, a 30mm tire sitting on your rim right now give the wheel that overall "bulbous" profile, and this bulbous profile will slow you down as the speed goes up significantly. Remember air resistance increase as the square of speed, where as rolling resistance does not. In fact a narrow tire with worse rolling resistance at low speed can end up being faster at higher speed as air resistance becomes dominant factor.
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Put some decent tires on there first. You don't need a different bike to go faster. But tires will help a lot.
If you start spinning out your gearing (unlikely except going down hill), then consider different gearing. But for now, new, quality tires, will help a ton.
If you start spinning out your gearing (unlikely except going down hill), then consider different gearing. But for now, new, quality tires, will help a ton.
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I commute on a ‘17 Diverge with 32mm Gravelkings and Mr. Tuffy liners. I also have a ‘92 Epic with 25mm Michelin Pro4. If I take the bags and rack off the Diverge, top speed is almost a wash. The big difference is in acceleration. Lighter wheels make things noticeably livelier. I can ride the Diverge all day, though, with minimal abuse to my body, and I don’t have to worry about broken pavement or getting pushed off the road. The thing just fits my body just right. I’d try putting some smaller tires on and seeing how it goes. I love my Epic, but it’s hard to beat a Diverge for everyday, real-world cycling.
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tire and wheel upgrade is the most effective. a few grams per wheel/tire will make a big difference. slightly aero wheel which is tubeless with a good light tire with low rolling resistance will make it seem like a different bike.
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If you're currently looking for a wheelset, then go with "wide" wheel, as wide as your bike can fit them. Many of the latest generation wheelset have their brake track at 25mm wide or more, and some even get as wide as 28mm! Then slap some 25mm tires on them. If you plan to use 25mm tires (which is all the current rage due to "comfort"), then I'd go with 28mm wide rims IF your frame fits this combo. Otherwise, 25mm wide rim with 25mm wide tire is ok too, but 25mm rim will be best with 23mm tire if aerodynamics is a high priority for you. Personally, I'd with go with a 25mm rim w/ 25mm tire combo as this will give you the best of aero, rolling resistance, and frame fit compatibility.
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You mentioned that you are comfortable with the bike set up as it is - have you tried to slam the stem, or at least drop it a space or two? You can work you way down so that you're only slightly out of your comfort range until your handlebars are nice and low, which will help with the aero side of things.
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The Comp has 105 instead of Tiagra and few other differences (has futureshock) but is still Aluminum framed and comes equipped with the same 30 mm Espoir Sport tires. I won’t get a chance to mount the new rubber for a few days but I’m looking forward to trying these out.
All that said, I really do enjoy the ride of the bike. It’s not as responsive as my Scott, but it’s plenty comfortable and incredibly versatile.