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What's with the faux camo kit?

Old 08-30-18, 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope
Remember when the Hello Kitty parent company (Sanrio) tried to tell us that it's not actually a cat, but a girl in a costume, and the Hello Kitty Fandom was just like... NO. SHE IS AN ADORABLE CAT.
I have absolutely no memory of this.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
Bib straps or base layer showing through a jersey is now being called a "reveal" by manufacturers. A reveal is actually the silk or satin liner of a suit jacket or sports coat. The interesting pattern 'reveals" itself when you move about and people around you get a glimpse inside your jacket. But yeah, manufacturers have found a way to market something showing through a jersey as fashionable.

I suppose a white base layer would work to hide nipples. Or perhaps @WhyFi can find some wicking/breathable pasties.

The colored base layer looks good under a dark or monochrome jersey. It really pops when the jersey is unzipped a little for ventilation. I like wearing mine when I wear all black or grey for gravel. Castelli has some new Pro Mesh base layers with color but they are not suitable for really hot conditions.

https://www.castelli-cycling.com/us/...451808518P-034


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A bright base layer showing when the jersey is unzipped is interesting, yes, in the same way that a suit jacket liner is. That same base layer showing through a jersey seems sloppy, just like a suit jacket lining showing through the suit jacket would look cheap.

But yeah, Texas is too hot for such things, and when it's cold it's much too windy and miserable for me to go outside.
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Old 08-30-18, 10:42 AM
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Searsucker?

https://www.artofmanliness.com/artic...ersucker-suit/
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Old 08-30-18, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
I've put on a suit twice in the past decade. Once I could have used it being seersucker (but shouldn't have worn it that day anyway); the other time a lightweight wool was perfect. Also, even that article says they're typically unlined, so that follows with "a suit jacket lining showing through doesn't look good". Or that's how I took it.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
I don't know why, but I just don't like transparent/semi-transparent garments.
Because: #buttcrack .
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
This is hilarious ... a person starts out by acknowledging that everything about fashion is entirely subjective, and then goes on a rant about how "wrong" everyone else is ....

Did you ever think that a lot of the people who see you think you look terrible? No, because it is All In Your Head.

And maybe they are every bit as convinced as you are that they look absolutely fabulous. You think you are doing it "right," but cannot seem to grasp that they think the same ... and their opinions carry Exactly the same weight as yours.

I don't have any problem with people who think they look great. No reason not to dress in the way that each finds pleasing. And for all I know, you and I share exactly the same tastes ... BUT ...

I refuse to be so small-minded as to think i am right for everyone, and I refuse to put everyone down if they have their own tastes.

This is where threads like this will always end up ... People who cannot say "I am doing it right" and at the same time refrain for telling everyone else they are doing it wrong.
Yep, but the problem is that they absolutely do not look great. It's nature, dude. You stay away from the scary looking things in the jungle, they might eat you or poison you. I steer clear of tasteless humans. An overweight middle-aged guy with a braided goatee and garish kit 100% looks horrible. That's his option. And it's my option to shake my head and wonder how he ended up with such sartorial ineptitude.

Also, we're not talking about some guy who walked down to his local shop and needed some bibs and socks to ride. We're talking about guys spending time and money to seek out these kits. And they're overwhelmingly abysmal. And now it has become an arms race. I was in the biggest city in my state last weekend for a wedding. Saw tons of roadies downtown. One after another had on some terribly ugly clothes. It was comical by the end of the weekend. I tried, in vain, to find one classy looking rider. Nope.

As a wise man once said, "Man, I can tell you're lame by the way you wear your shorts."
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
I still haven't warmed to the idea of an additional layer for anything other than additional warmth - maybe I'll get there some day. In terms of the Castelli, yeah, it would look nice peeking through an unzipped darker jersey, but showing through a jersey wouldn't be appealing to me at all. I don't know why, but I just don't like transparent/semi-transparent garments.
Some of my bibs have straps that don't feel great on bare skin. I always use a base layer with them, just for the added comfort and aside from whatever ventilation/wicking/cooling measures they potentially provide.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
This is hilarious ... a person starts out by acknowledging that everything about fashion is entirely subjective, and then goes on a rant about how "wrong" everyone else is ....

Did you ever think that a lot of the people who see you think you look terrible? No, because it is All In Your Head.

And maybe they are every bit as convinced as you are that they look absolutely fabulous. You think you are doing it "right," but cannot seem to grasp that they think the same ... and their opinions carry Exactly the same weight as yours.

I don't have any problem with people who think they look great. No reason not to dress in the way that each finds pleasing. And for all I know, you and I share exactly the same tastes ... BUT ...

I refuse to be so small-minded as to think i am right for everyone, and I refuse to put everyone down if they have their own tastes.

This is where threads like this will always end up ... People who cannot say "I am doing it right" and at the same time refrain for telling everyone else they are doing it wrong.
And...let us keep in mind, I'm not out their hunting them down with a sniper rifle. Or poisoning them. Or jailing them. I'm simply forming my own personal opinion that they spent way too much time and money to look like a total donkey.

Think of it like this, who looks better on a bike, Chris Froome or Peter Sagan? Why? Who has more charisma and personality? Huh...see how that goes? Some people have it, some don't. Just the way she goes.
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Originally Posted by nayr497
And...let us keep in mind, I'm not out their hunting them down with a sniper rifle. Or poisoning them. Or jailing them. I'm simply forming my own personal opinion that they spent way too much time and money to look like a total donkey.

Think of it like this, who looks better on a bike, Chris Froome or Peter Sagan? Why? Who has more charisma and personality? Huh...see how that goes? Some people have it, some don't. Just the way she goes.
I'd rather go for a ride with Froome.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
Bib straps or base layer showing through a jersey is now being called a "reveal" by manufacturers. A reveal is actually the silk or satin liner of a suit jacket or sports coat. The interesting pattern 'reveals" itself when you move about and people around you get a glimpse inside your jacket. But yeah, manufacturers have found a way to market something showing through a jersey as fashionable.

I suppose a white base layer would work to hide nipples. Or perhaps @WhyFi can find some wicking/breathable pasties.

The colored base layer looks good under a dark or monochrome jersey. It really pops when the jersey is unzipped a little for ventilation. I like wearing mine when I wear all black or grey for gravel. Castelli has some new Pro Mesh base layers with color but they are not suitable for really hot conditions.

https://www.castelli-cycling.com/us/...451808518P-034


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And, I realized, the same as these:





Though of course no one sees those at all while you're wearing them.
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The flag shoes are cool.

I have a few favorites...

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That's the exterior and lining of two different jackets, yes? Even those look understated to my taste, which I suppose I should expect in context.

The flag shoes have fun soles too.

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Originally Posted by nayr497
Some of my bibs have straps that don't feel great on bare skin. I always use a base layer with them, just for the added comfort and aside from whatever ventilation/wicking/cooling measures they potentially provide.
Band-aids for nips.. if that's the issue
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I think the question isn't "does disruptor camo work" (it does), but "do people buy disruptor camo jersies for that purpose?" My guess is probably not. I suspect they buy it more because they like the look of camo or, possibly, to signal to other cyclists that they like to hunt or whatever signals camo sends to others.

As for the "stop worrying about what others wear" comments, those strike me as specious. It's certainly fine to ask for insight into why others wear what they wear without it constituting "worrying" or "insecurity." You "worry" about what other people wear and they "worry" about you worrying about it. That's a lot of worrying
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Originally Posted by TXCiclista
As for the "stop worrying about what others wear" comments, those strike me as specious. It's certainly fine to ask for insight into why others wear what they wear without it constituting "worrying" or "insecurity." You "worry" about what other people wear and they "worry" about you worrying about it. That's a lot of worrying
Disingenuous.

If you have analyzed it to this extent, you have gone right past the honest interpretation, which is that some posters have definite ideas about what everyone should wear, and like to prescribe their dress codes, while others find that idea, like your less-than-honest response, ludicrous ... in the purest sense of "we know you are just playing." So are the rest of us.

it's ludicrous.
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Originally Posted by nayr497
Yep, but the problem is that they absolutely do not look great. It's nature, dude. You stay away from the scary looking things in the jungle, they might eat you or poison you. I steer clear of tasteless humans. An overweight middle-aged guy with a braided goatee and garish kit 100% looks horrible. That's his option. And it's my option to shake my head and wonder how he ended up with such sartorial ineptitude.

Also, we're not talking about some guy who walked down to his local shop and needed some bibs and socks to ride. We're talking about guys spending time and money to seek out these kits. And they're overwhelmingly abysmal. And now it has become an arms race. I was in the biggest city in my state last weekend for a wedding. Saw tons of roadies downtown. One after another had on some terribly ugly clothes. It was comical by the end of the weekend. I tried, in vain, to find one classy looking rider. Nope.
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
Disingenuous.

If you have analyzed it to this extent, you have gone right past the honest interpretation, which is that some posters have definite ideas about what everyone should wear, and like to prescribe their dress codes, while others find that idea, like your less-than-honest response, ludicrous ... in the purest sense of "we know you are just playing." So are the rest of us.

it's ludicrous.
If you understood the critique you'd understand why it's neither disingenuous nor ludicrous. The speed and tone of your response illustrates that you don't. Have a nice day!
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
Faux Camo Gingham is the next big thing. Trust me on this one.

I'd rock that. Can the colors be brighter though?
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Originally Posted by Caliper
I'd rock that. Can the colors be brighter though?
Too bold for me, lol
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
See what I did there?
Sew much sew, I'm in stitches, plenty of material left....
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
Disingenuous.

If you have analyzed it to this extent, you have gone right past the honest interpretation, which is that some posters have definite ideas about what everyone should wear, and like to prescribe their dress codes, while others find that idea, like your less-than-honest response, ludicrous ... in the purest sense of "we know you are just playing." So are the rest of us.

it's ludicrous.
Not sure what's ludicrous about these arguments. Tiresome, maybe, but not ludicrous, and if the following is tiresome, I hope you'll pardon me.

Actually, I'm not sure why so many people are so certain that those who have an opinion of what's right and wrong here "like to prescribe their dress codes." Making observations about what one thinks is right or wrong is not the same thing as telling people what to do. But I think some people really do want confirmation that what they are doing is OK, and just get upset when someone who's put more thought into the issue suggests that it isn't.

I really don't believe there is half as much disagreement about aesthetic matters as anyone has suggested so far. Where the disagreement occurs is over how much anyone cares about being "right or wrong" in any particular way, and what people see as appropriate. I say this because, given contrasting examples - a clean jersey and a dirty one, a garish one and a plain one, a daring one and a modest one, a neatly-constructed one and a shoddy one and so forth, I'm sure everyone would agree which one was which. Now, while it may be easy to agree on these simple aesthetic judgments, the first source of disagreement is over whether it's appropriate in any case to be one or the other. For example, sometimes it seems daring is preferred to modest, and one might make an argument for the appropriateness of garish over plain. And while most of the time, everyone would agree that clean and neatly-constructed are preferable to the alternative, sometimes the context, not preference, will dictate which it will be.

However, a lot of people are simply indifferent - maybe even most people most of the time. Now, if these people really don't care and don't pay attention to aesthetics, that's fine, but if someone says they're "doing it wrong," they can't argue - they can't claim to be right about something they don't bother to think about or pay attention to. Quite frankly, such criticisms shouldn't even register, which is why I thought @TXCiclista was spot on with his comment about all the "worrying"
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Originally Posted by TimothyH
Camouflage patterns with bright colors supposedly "disrupt" the background. I don't believe it. They certainly don't disrupt the background as much as a plain white or some other bright color jersey without a camo pattern.

More importantly, do people actually think they look good? There was a guy with bullets on his wheels and everyone was fawning over his death bike. Maybe the same people like camo jerseys, I don't know.

Why would a road rider buy camo or brightly colored faux camo "disruptor" jerseys? I'm sincerely trying to understand.


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I don't think you understand the theory - while yes, a brightly colored jersey is easier to concentrate on, the breaking up with a lot of bright colors makes it more noticeable. On the other hand it has the unfortunate side effect of not allowing passing traffic to know exactly where you're at. So, theoretically, that would cause them to give you more room, in practice that doesn't seem to be the case.
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Originally Posted by kbarch
Not sure what's ludicrous about these arguments. Tiresome, maybe, but not ludicrous .....
As I said ... "ludicrous" in its original sense.

Ludicrum (Latin): game

Ludi (Latin plural) were public games held for the benefit and entertainment of the Roman people

Seems you gentlemen (and/or ladies, hermaphrodites, non-binaries, pre-and -post-ops, undefined .... so Hard to be PC nowadays ..... ) should have paid better attention in school.
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safety vest or hunters safety vest in city or coungtry

Useing camo vests of any color/pattern, will get you ran over in the city and country. City has all colors and strange pafterns, drivers aren't looking for bicycleists and a jersey with color combinations only makes them harder to see in the surrounding city colors. In the country , drivers drive at higher speeds and need to see bikes from as far away and as soon as possiable, camo/\patterns colors ( even bright) cause bike blending in with the environment. Road workers and hunters wear bright reflective single color safety vest, and not camo patterns because they are the safetist to be around careless drivers and hunters with.
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