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Old 09-12-18, 10:40 AM
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I like Strava but sometimes it is too much of a good thing. I think they should hit the reset button on all the stuff and start again. Everything is segmented around here at times and it just is really nutty. I do admit it keeps me entertained since I am not going be racing, If they hit the reset...……...I am sure things would implode. Imagine no segments and no keep we all get to start again.
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You can hide segments so they don't display on the screen for you. I've done this in the more popular areas where people have made all sort of tiny little sprint segments.
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Old 09-12-18, 01:37 PM
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It would be cool if they reviewed segments and made them "official" but that would probably take a lot of man-power. They could probably have a program that at least filters out the redundancy or encourages uploaders to make it a private segment if it's redundant at the very least.
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Originally Posted by SeanBikes View Post
It would be cool if they reviewed segments and made them "official" but that would probably take a lot of man-power. They could probably have a program that at least filters out the redundancy or encourages uploaders to make it a private segment if it's redundant at the very least.
This is an interesting idea. But I'm thinking maybe Strava Clubs could make their own "official" segments, which may have the option of being public or private to the club. Then the manpower to filter, "endorse" or even establish them would be sort of organically applied.
I don't know much about it, but evidently Strava already automatically hides some segments. I've never made a point of hiding any, but on just about any ride of any consequence, there will be a number of "hidden efforts" at the bottom I can ask to be shown, e.g., from yesterday morning:


In case you're wondering about that meager 13.6 mph on a -6% segment - well, for one thing it was a damp, misty early morning, plus a guy coming up the hill warned me about deer who were present further down - sure enough - a little family munching on the shrubs just off the curb toward the bottom. There were some at the top of the hill, too - not sure if I paused to take a photo of them before or after the beginning of the segment. No excuse for the lame PRs.

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Originally Posted by SeanBikes View Post
It would be cool if they reviewed segments and made them "official" but that would probably take a lot of man-power. They could probably have a program that at least filters out the redundancy or encourages uploaders to make it a private segment if it's redundant at the very least.
They already do that. Any time you make a segment on a road that already has a segment, the name and info. for that segment pops up and they ask if you're sure you want to make another segment.
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Just make all your rides private, and then I don't believe you get any public segments.

I think there should be something more proactive with determining the safety of segments. For example, I ignore most of the MUP segments as many could encourage unsafe riding.

Some people just look at the last 12 months of rides, or the last day of rides. Thus you're not competing in as large of a pool.

In a small city, there are still a few segments that aren't slammed with silly times.
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Old 09-12-18, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by kbarch View Post
This is an interesting idea. But I'm thinking maybe Strava Clubs could make their own "official" segments, which may have the option of being public or private to the club. Then the manpower to filter, "endorse" or even establish them would be sort of organically applied.
I don't know much about it, but evidently Strava already automatically hides some segments. I've never made a point of hiding any,
Frustratingly Strava hasn't created any sort of meaningful crowdsourced segments. There are so many lousy ones, not just short sprints and huge loops with specific turns, but ones that end right after a stop sign, or after a turn at the bottom of a hill, etc.

The only way to provide feedback is to hide them. If enough people hide the segment then it won't show up for most people (unless they look at hidden efforts). Strava could do better with this by far.
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I said this before but strava needs weekly monthly and yearly koms . they need to allow users to id the type of bike they used . and they need to import wind direction and speed for the flyby view . i wish there was a third party app to get a legit ranking to kom activities . strava can get stale becuase some people destroy a kom with a tt bike or an ebike and it suks ..
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Mostly I just ignore the segments.
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Originally Posted by drewguy View Post
...There are so many lousy ones, not just short sprints and huge loops with specific turns, but ones that end right after a stop sign, or after a turn at the bottom of a hill, etc.

The only way to provide feedback is to hide them. If enough people hide the segment then it won't show up for most people (unless they look at hidden efforts)....
Funny you should mention that! In the snip above, "Churchill descent, with safety margin" is a segment I created in response to the kinds of condition you described. Churchill is a residential street that ends with a T-intersection at the bottom of a hill with a rather sharp, steep bend. Before, there was a segment that went all the way to the intersection. It's a fairly well-traveled hill (by cyclists, not so much by cars) and with the exception of the bottom, a nice little descent - very quiet, a broad, smooth road, and a beautiful sweeping course with just enough visibility. I created the truncated version for selfish reasons - I wanted a good time on that descent, but I'm not half as daring on half- blind slaloms through intersections or as confident braking on compound curves as some people. I don't recall hiding the old segment - maybe I did, but maybe it doesn't show up any more because of some kind of feedback.

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Old 09-13-18, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Teamprovicycle View Post
strava can get stale becuase some people destroy a kom with a tt bike or an ebike and it suks ..
Or a car when they forget to turn off the app after their ride (guilty -- fastest speed I've ever put up on a MTB)
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Originally Posted by Teamprovicycle View Post
I said this before but strava needs weekly monthly and yearly koms . they need to allow users to id the type of bike they used . and they need to import wind direction and speed for the flyby view . i wish there was a third party app to get a legit ranking to kom activities . strava can get stale becuase some people destroy a kom with a tt bike or an ebike and it suks ..
Didn't they add a yearly vs all time KOM a year or two back?

The rest... You're talking about a lot of work for a app that I think most of us use for free. Should they also work to determine localized wind speed? I mean, NOAA might report 10mph wind, but most of my rides are in areas with lots of trees so I'm not feeling that wind so much. My take is if you really want to compete with someone else, go sign up for a race in real life. Segments best value to me is tracking my performance over time.

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Mostly I just ignore the segments.
They are great for competing with yourself. Setting a new PR is far better than rankings against others that I typically don't know and have probably never even seen.
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Old 09-17-18, 08:24 AM
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Didn't they add a yearly vs all time KOM a year or two back?
Don't recall years ago, but certainly in the app now there's KOM all time and "this year" as well as "today" standings (plus the first two male and female). On the website you can slice by all-time, this year, this month, this week, and today.
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You really need to add "My Dirty Johnson" to the "What are your favorite Strava segment names?" thread!
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Originally Posted by Teamprovicycle View Post
I said this before but strava needs weekly monthly and yearly koms . they need to allow users to id the type of bike they used . and they need to import wind direction and speed for the flyby view . i wish there was a third party app to get a legit ranking to kom activities . strava can get stale becuase some people destroy a kom with a tt bike or an ebike and it suks ..
I hate to be "that guy" to point this out, but... if you're really concerned about how you truly match up to other cyclists and don't trust what Strava tells you, the solution is to get a USAC license and try some races. Segments need to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
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Originally Posted by deacon mark View Post
I like Strava but sometimes it is too much of a good thing. I think they should hit the reset button on all the stuff and start again. Everything is segmented around here at times and it just is really nutty. I do admit it keeps me entertained since I am not going be racing, If they hit the reset...……...I am sure things would implode. Imagine no segments and no keep we all get to start again.
I enjoy segments, I use live segments on my Garmin as a way to interval train. I'll create a route using segments that are a couple miles long or on climbs, link them with some mellow miles and create a route that keeps challenging me. I typically use my PR as the challenge - rarely use the KOM.

I've made two suggestions to Strava over the year's on this topic:

1) Limit segment creation to specific athletes, either based on level of usage or only premium athletes (paid Strava users) can create segments. I'm not too big on this idea, but it could limit the huge number of segments create over the same route.

2) Create a comments section for the segments. This would allow users to tell people it's a dumb segment without the nanny flagging (I hate the flag for 99% of segments).

I like the idea of a crowd sourced rating system, [brainstorming] allowing an athlete to create a route based on 5-star segments with at least 100 reviews. [/brainstorming]

I understand the idea of limiting segments on MUPs, but not all MUPs are created equal, Minneapolis has divided bike routes:


Cedar Trail with seperate westbound lane, eastbound lane, and foot path

I love using the Cedar Trail for fast training rides, tons of room to limit risk of conflict with other trail users ... and no road crossings!
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Just star the segments you care about for your routes.
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Strava has gone to hell in the past couple years. It used to be the top fastest flat segments, while wind aided, were reasonable times. Now I am regularity seeing flat 1mi KOMs at 40mph+ traveling both N and S (or W and E) in the same ride. I flag them and they are noted as 'already been resolved.' I open a request to Strava and am told it will not be reopened. There are dozens like this:
https://www.strava.com/activities/1514776049/analysis

Tell me how that is possible after the 5.5 mile mark. Heart rate goes sub 100, cadence to zero and speeds >40mph. BS. But Strava says resolved will not reopen - have they just given up?
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Zero cadence. ACCELERATE zero to 40 and brake to zero at each stoplight. This is in a car. Period. Not even debatable.
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I created as support ticked on strava:

this segment was CLEARLY in a vehicle. not even debatable. yet it can't be flagged???? what gives?

if someone has resolved a flagging IN ERROR, then it ruins the segment PERMANENTLY for everyone.

Is that really your objective here???? Or do you need to find some way to fix these permanently broken segments before everyone just caring about strava?

https://www.strava.com/activities/15...ts/37792322439
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Strava has gone to hell in the past couple years. It used to be the top fastest flat segments, while wind aided, were reasonable times. Now I am regularity seeing flat 1mi KOMs at 40mph+ traveling both N and S (or W and E) in the same ride. I flag them and they are noted as 'already been resolved.' I open a request to Strava and am told it will not be reopened. There are dozens like this:
https://www.strava.com/activities/1514776049/analysis

Tell me how that is possible after the 5.5 mile mark. Heart rate goes sub 100, cadence to zero and speeds >40mph. BS. But Strava says resolved will not reopen - have they just given up?
That previously resolved flag policy certainly is BS. He appears to be some sort of motivational speaker. Like Tony Robbins of sports performance, if you will. It's tempting to go to one of his talks and throw a printout of that ride up on stage, demanding answers!

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Glad my 'outrage' is shared. The ridiculous thing is this rider had a short 5.5 relatively slow ride, then a long pause and (I assume) got into vehicle and traveled 40-45mph. Then someone flagged it and instead of accepting it and trimming off the end of the ride argued with Strava support to remove the flag.
But my other point is this is one of many like it across my riding area. It used to be possible to get KOM on windy days at 32-35mph, now the flat KOMs are 40-45mph on non windy days and 'resolved' The support who resolved these can't possibly be cyclists.
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Glad my 'outrage' is shared. The ridiculous thing is this rider had a short 5.5 relatively slow ride, then a long pause and (I assume) got into vehicle and traveled 40-45mph. Then someone flagged it and instead of accepting it and trimming off the end of the ride argued with Strava support to remove the flag.
But my other point is this is one of many like it across my riding area. It used to be possible to get KOM on windy days at 32-35mph, now the flat KOMs are 40-45mph on non windy days and 'resolved' The support who resolved these can't possibly be cyclists.
I get that you guys are annoyed with that, I would be as well if I were in that area riding those roads. Have you tried following him and then commenting on the ride? Maybe he will just remove the whole thing himself. He is, after all, a "#1 international best-selling author, speaker, coach. He is widely regarded as the foremost authority on Mental Performance", according to his website.
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I just commented on the ride.

as a "#1 international best-selling author, speaker, coach. He is widely regarded as the foremost authority on Mental Performance", how do you reconcile with telling strava this ride was NOT in a vehicle when it was flagged? Seems like a pretty big, pretty obvious lie to me. Maybe if I were a best selling author I would understand the logic?
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