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Saddles with no cutout or recess?

Old 09-21-18, 03:44 PM
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Saddles with no cutout or recess?

hello all, I am in the process of putting together a road bike and am looking at saddles. I like the aesthetic of rapha's classic saddle, it looks gorgeous imo.



there isn't a cut out or even a recess for your perineum to sit into. They offer test rides but my concern is whether or not such a saddle will be comfortable for 3-4 hours in a longer ride. Anyone have any experience with these saddles, or similarly designed ones? any input is greatly appreciated.
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Old 09-21-18, 03:48 PM
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I don't need a cutout (my perineum doesn't hang down) but I do need a flat saddle. My sit bones are lower than my perineum. That one looks pretty curved, like it would push up into my area.
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Old 09-21-18, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Theycallmegio View Post
my concern is whether or not such a saddle will be comfortable for 3-4 hours in a longer ride.
Depends on your pelvis. Different people need different saddle shapes. For what it's worth, loads of long-distance cyclists ride happily on saddles that lack cutouts. You may or may not be able to enter their ranks.
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Old 09-21-18, 04:53 PM
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plenty of people ride saddles in the fizik lineup that don't have recesses or cutouts, YMMV though
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Old 09-21-18, 05:56 PM
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My $.02--I need the cut out.
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Old 09-21-18, 08:47 PM
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My Brooks doesn't have a cutout.

But I've ridden a saddle with a cutout. Hated it. Worst saddle ever.
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Old 09-21-18, 08:50 PM
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Everyone is different, what works for me may not work for you. The saddle is the most personal part of the bike. The only answer is you will just have to try it out for yourself.
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Originally Posted by Theycallmegio View Post
hello all, I am in the process of putting together a road bike and am looking at saddles. I like the aesthetic of rapha's classic saddle, it looks gorgeous imo.



there isn't a cut out or even a recess for your perineum to sit into. They offer test rides but my concern is whether or not such a saddle will be comfortable for 3-4 hours in a longer ride. Anyone have any experience with these saddles, or similarly designed ones? any input is greatly appreciated.
looks fat
Looks heavy
Looks pricey
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You asked.
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Old 09-21-18, 09:23 PM
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I, too, thought I needed a flat saddle, and always had a cutout. My new bike came with a Fizik Aliante, and I assumed it wouldn't work for me.

I couldn't get back there for a few weeks, so I rode the Aliante. I hated it the first few rides, oww. Then it was "okay I guess". After a few more rides, it became my favorite. I've put 15000 miles or more on it, including some all-day rides and a few centuries.

EDIT -- it takes multiple rides for your butt to get adapted to a saddle. It might seem terrible after one ride.

Aliante:

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Old 09-21-18, 10:50 PM
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If you like and want it take it for your 4hr test ride and see if it works for you.
Other peoples experience with the same saddle are not valid. Its personal, as has been said.
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Old 09-21-18, 11:52 PM
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Obviously everyone's different, TG. The only way the OP will know what saddles his body likes if by riding on them. He's right about the time period: I find that I won't know for sure if a saddle will work for me until after the 3rd hour. My usual approach is to get on the new saddle and ride a century on it. Then I know for sure, and there's not going to be permanent damage from just one ride.
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Old 09-22-18, 10:48 AM
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After close to 10,000k on my saddle (not to mention a crash) I'm thinking my Specialized saddle has met the end of it's life. The saddle sores this summer kind of convinced me as well that it was time to start looking at a new saddle. Gotta say I'm biased to the whole centre cutout bit though. I look at the centre cutout more like preventative maintenance for the twig and berries than anything else.
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I love a cut out saddle, hate a non but that’s me. Night and day difference to me. Everybody is different though.
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Originally Posted by DougRNS View Post
looks fat
Looks heavy
Looks pricey
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You asked.
179g
145mm width
I think it looks heavy and wide because there is no cutout.
Cost less and weighs less than my specialized carbon saddle

https://www.rapha.cc/us/en_US/shop/c...roduct/CAD03XX

looks can be deceiving
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Originally Posted by cycledogg View Post
Everyone is different, what works for me may not work for you. The saddle is the most personal part of the bike. The only answer is you will just have to try it out for yourself.
Cheers
Also we change, The Selle Italia seats I raced, rode and loved for 15 years stopped working as hit my 40s. Cutouts and grooves allowed me to keep riding, Then I found the Selle Italia made Terry Fly with the shape I loved but with a cutout and have been riding those seats on all my good bikes the past 15 years.

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Originally Posted by rgconner View Post
Not the seat if you have tailbone issues. With my broken one, that seat was torture. Fine if I wanted to never sit up or ride no-hands. I paid for those rides long after if I did. (That was before I knew about the seats with cutouts and having to stay down with no perenium relief was also torture. I stopped doing long rides.

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Originally Posted by Theycallmegio View Post
hello all, I am in the process of putting together a road bike and am looking at saddles. I like the aesthetic of rapha's classic saddle, it looks gorgeous imo.



there isn't a cut out or even a recess for your perineum to sit into. They offer test rides but my concern is whether or not such a saddle will be comfortable for 3-4 hours in a longer ride. Anyone have any experience with these saddles, or similarly designed ones? any input is greatly appreciated.
That saddle is gorgeous. I can’t believe how beautiful it is. I am going to purchase one to hang on a wall in my home
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That saddle is gorgeous. I can’t believe how beautiful it is. I am going to purchase one to hang on a wall in my home
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Picking a saddle is a very difficult decision. There are literally 100's of quality racing saddles on the market. I bought a new saddle last season to replace my age old Selle Italia Flite. The choices were a bit overwhelming. I ended up with a Selle Italia SRL Flow based on my previous brand experience and the price. It was kind of a crapshoot and didn't opt for a returnable saddle but it worked out fine. It took a few weeks to get used to the very slight differences from my old saddle. The point is if you can test them first do so. If not, know that a slight change from a current saddle will be noticeable. In the picture of the Rapha saddle, it looks really wide in the rear. YMMV.
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Nose of a saddle usually wider to have a gap for the cut out..
none of my saddles have a cut out..

yea gram counter types may not like Brooks
(mine has decades of use).

they do make a titanium frame version..
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Originally Posted by Theycallmegio View Post
hello all, I am in the process of putting together a road bike and am looking at saddles. I like the aesthetic of rapha's classic saddle, it looks gorgeous imo.

there isn't a cut out or even a recess for your perineum to sit into. They offer test rides but my concern is whether or not such a saddle will be comfortable for 3-4 hours in a longer ride. Anyone have any experience with these saddles, or similarly designed ones? any input is greatly appreciated.
I have two of the 130mm Rapha Classic saddles. My 130mm saddles came in at 178g.

For the past 5+ years I have run saddles with a cut out (Selle Italia SLR superflow and Fizik R3 Arione Open). The Rapha Classic saddle is the first saddle I've found without a cutout I can ride in comfort on longer rides. The nose was a little wider than what I was initially use too, but it hasn't been an issue. One thing I will say is you will need to check your seatpost clamp compatibility since the Rapha saddle has carbon rails.
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Saying “cut-out” doesn’t mean a damn thing. The size, the shape, the location on the saddle and the saddle the cut-out is in are all factors in suitability, and as has been said, we’re all different down there in addition to being different weights, in differently padded shorts, in different riding positions.

I ride both the heavily cut-out Selle SMP Dynamic and conventional Fizik Aliante R3s just about equally comfortably, though for the longest rides, the SMP has the advantage.
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Originally Posted by Theycallmegio View Post
hello all, I am in the process of putting together a road bike and am looking at saddles. I like the aesthetic of rapha's classic saddle, it looks gorgeous imo.

there isn't a cut out or even a recess for your perineum to sit into. They offer test rides but my concern is whether or not such a saddle will be comfortable for 3-4 hours in a longer ride. Anyone have any experience with these saddles, or similarly designed ones? any input is greatly appreciated.
It is very personal. Some people need a cutout, some don't. Saddle choice is probably the most personal choice of bike components. You just need to try it out for yourself.

Personally, I like / need a cutout for longer rides.
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I've been riding a saddle with a cutout for so long now I don't know if I could go back to a standard/regular saddle. As you say though, you need to try it out for yourself.
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