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1986 Univega Gran Rally?

Old 09-23-18, 09:17 AM
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1986 Univega Gran Rally?

I recently bought this bike on the local Craigslist from a member here, paid too much for it. As received:



At first I thought it was a blue bike originally, but then I realized it was actually pink underneath, like this:



But I knew there was a Miyate-built triple butted steel frame under that pink paint, so I decided to strip it off, and have the bare frame powdercoated in clear like I have done with a Paramount.

Finally got the frame back after several months (it was ready but they never bothered to tell me it was done) and assembled it with some parts I found. I had to put some mid-reach brake calipers that are actually made for the front brake, on backwards, so I would have room to run 28 mm tires.





Non-drive side.




I'm pretty happy with how it turned out, and I did something I have been meaning to do for a while, lose the front derailleur brifter control and go with a lever, Lance Armstrong-style. I have never been able to get a triple adjusted on a road bike so it didn't rub in various gear combos using brifters, and a lever is simple and foolproof, so I went with that.

Can anyone tell me anything about this model, other than the fact it was built by Miyata under contract for Univega, and it's made with triple-butted steel? I know it's a bit of a sport bike, but it rides nicely. This is the first bike I have had in 30 years where there's more top tube than seat post showing. The bike has an excellent Cadillac-style ride, but like a Cadillac, is a little heavy, and because of that. it's kinda slow off the line, but the big frame is very stable.



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Looks great. Probably better responses if you post in C&V.
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Thanks!

I also wanted to ask about what the relationship is, if anyone knows, between the 1986 Univega Gran Rally, and the much-loved Miyata 912 of the same year? I have read claims that they are the same bike underneath, and I would note both bikes have the same "spoon-shaped" seatstay caps, and lugwork looks the same as well.


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Originally Posted by Colnago Mixte
Thanks!

I also wanted to ask about what the relationship is, if anyone knows, between the 1986 Univega Gran Rally, and the much-loved Miyata 912 of the same year? I have read claims that they are the same bike underneath, and I would note both bikes have the same "spoon-shaped" seatstay caps, and lugwork looks the same as well.


You sure that Miyata is an '86? I have an '84 Gran Rally and it looks the sāme. Top mount aero friction shifters. By '86 I don't think anyone was doing aero shifters and everything was coming with indexed systems. I ālso have an '86 Univega Nuovo Sport and it has the same triple butted tubing. My Gran Rally is double butted.
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Never heard of relationship between Univega models and Miyata models.
at least i haven't heard they are the same and just rebadged.

yes Miyata built some Univega bikes. Yes some models are quite similar within each lineup, but that's just naturally gonna happen since there are only so many ways to build a touring bike or competition road bike.

even the 1000 touring bike differed from Univega.


unfortunately, info on Univega is quite limited, even with all that is known. Catalogs specifically are limited compared to other brands.
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The serial number is a Miyata number, and additionally, no one else but Miyata was making triple butted steel tubing at that time, AFAIK, so that helps to narrow down the manufacturer.
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That 912 is an '84 as I suspected. Just Google the catalog, I'm on my tablet and it's a PIA to try and post it. Looks just like my '84 Gran Rally and has double butted tubing. Even has the same components.
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This is not a picture of my bike, it's just a shot I found on the net, but my Gran Rally had this same decal in the same spot, so I would be inclined to believe it.







However, I may be wrong on the precise year. The bike came new with Shimano 600, version 6207, so that would place it in the 1985-86 timeline.
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Originally Posted by Colnago Mixte
This is not a picture of my bike, it's just a shot I found on the net, but my Gran Rally had this same decal in the same spot, so I would be inclined to believe it.







However, I may be wrong on the precise year. The bike came new with Shimano 600, version 6207, so that would place it in the 1985-86 timeline.
My '84 Gran Rally has 6207 as does the '84 912, which is the bike you posted. The '86 912 has triple butted tubing, black paint with a pink head tube (same pink color as the Univega above) and my guess is that it's the exact same frame as the Univega.
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That would be great to have the equivalent of a grail bike like the 912. Mine came with a rather heavy high ten fork, which disappointed me a bit, but if the 912 also had the same fork, I wouldn't feel so bad. It has "Univega" stamped on either side of the fork crown.





I want to replace the fork with a decent carbon one, but I'm having trouble finding a 1" threaded fork that'll fit such a tall head tube, I need around 215 mm.
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The 912 had a cromo fork with forged ends.
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Originally Posted by Colnago Mixte
The serial number is a Miyata number, and additionally, no one else but Miyata was making triple butted steel tubing at that time, AFAIK, so that helps to narrow down the manufacturer.
For sure- Miyata was contracted to build some Univega bikes- a lot of the higher tier models. This was especially true in the early and mid 80s.

For what its worth, Ishiwata made triple butted tubing in the 80s. It was called EX, i believe. Thats before they came out with the Si35 feather tubing somewhere around '89 that was also triple butted. The triple butted EX tubing was one of the tubing sets labeled as 'Valite' by Fuji.
Miyata's triple butted tubing from about '86 on was also splined, which was said to increase rigidity. The Miyata bikes were typically a bit heavier than identically spec'd bikes from other companies. Thats probably due to the triple butting(instead of lighter double butting) and due to the splines.
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Originally Posted by Colnago Mixte
That would be great to have the equivalent of a grail bike like the 912. Mine came with a rather heavy high ten fork, which disappointed me a bit, but if the 912 also had the same fork, I wouldn't feel so bad. It has "Univega" stamped on either side of the fork crown.





I want to replace the fork with a decent carbon one, but I'm having trouble finding a 1" threaded fork that'll fit such a tall head tube, I need around 215 mm.
I bought one of these and am happy with it: https://www.bikenashbar.com/cycling/...ke-fork-ns-crf
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