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Old 09-29-18, 06:48 PM
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Passed like I was standing still

Today I was out for a ride. Nothing too crazy mind you. Just a regular weekend ride.

So I was riding at 31km/h which for me is my regular peddling speed. Then over my left shoulder I get passed by a fellow roadie. No biggie. I'm passed by faster riders all the time. But what I'm coming to the forum for help is...

He passed me like I was standing still. I mean I was spinning out at my 31km/h. But he probably passed me at 35km/h? Even faster? And he wasn't breaking a sweat/working at all. Simply pulled past me.

So my question is...How do I get to the same level of fitness? It is time on the bike (although I did that have a lot of time on the bike this summer)? Fitness? Need more training? Just natural differences between people? Other?

Cheers.
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Old 09-29-18, 06:50 PM
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So you were going about 19 mph and he was going about 22 mph? How is that "passing you like you're standing still?"

And yes, you need to ride more. Generally 8-10 years to fully build an aerobic base.
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Strava stalk him and see if he was putting on a show for you.
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Maybe he had a battery.
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Could be many factors but it comes down to power required vs power available. You can work on lowering the power required by getting into a more aerodynamic position, wearing tight clothes, using good tires with lower rolling resistance. Increasing power available takes work but comes with volume and intensity.

And if the rider blew past you how do you know how hard he was working? It's not easy to tell.
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Ride more. Build a base. Do intervals.
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Old 09-29-18, 07:24 PM
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Also: spinning out at 31kph?
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Also: spinning out at 31kph?
i smell a personal attack of some sort here.
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Well that is a pretty low speed to be spinning out at.
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Well that is a pretty low speed to be spinning out at.
perhaps so, but every one starts somewhere. Maybe he forgot the part about climbing a 6% grade.
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Originally Posted by spelger View Post


i smell a personal attack of some sort here.
No. Just looking for explication.
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@caloso we all ride at different paces right? Also I don't know if there was any kind of incline or headwind, etc. I think the tip to do intervals though is a good one. I need to get on some kind of training program next year.
@gregf83 yeah, I was riding pretty upright. Wasn't on the hoods but the top bar.
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In order to ride fast, you must ride fast.
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Originally Posted by spelger View Post


perhaps so, but every one starts somewhere. Maybe he forgot the part about climbing a 6% grade.
"Spinning out" means running out of sufficiently high gears.
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If you were spinning out at 19 mph when the other guy passed you,

you might just need to shift gears.
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Originally Posted by NoWhammies View Post
@caloso we all ride at different paces right? Also I don't know if there was any kind of incline or headwind, etc. I think the tip to do intervals though is a good one. I need to get on some kind of training program next year.
@gregf83 yeah, I was riding pretty upright. Wasn't on the hoods but the top bar.
Yes, we do all ride at different paces. I understood your post to be asking for advice on how to make yours faster.

There are lots of programs out there, but they all essentially do the same thing: stress your body to cause a training response, recovery, repeat.
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My uninformed impression is that some bicycles are faster than others.

My street operation also includes getting passed by others. It appears that those passing me have much nicer / more expensive bicycles than mine. Even when I "turn on the gas" and pedal as-hard and as-fast as I can, I am unable to either catch the passing bike (usually), or maintain that pace (less often).

Sure, many are more fit / stronger than me, but I think that is only part of the equation. There has to be a reason people spend 5X, 10X or more than I spent on my bike and it's not just nicer parts.
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As a 63 year old that has become much faster and stronger in the last year, my advice is to get a trainer, some kind of power meter, or get a smart trainer, and ride it. Ride the hell out of it. Pick a training program like Zwift, The Sufferfest, Trainer Road, ... and use them. Use it almost every day, and for at least an hour. Ride hard, do the FTP/4DP test, and increase your FTP over time. Do drills to improve all aspects of your ride, cadence, speed, climbing, sprinting. Then in the spring go outside and test yourself against every ride that passes you, or tries because you won't get passed very often. Once you start doing intervals indoors you'll treat every open space outdoors as an interval too, and every hill.
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Originally Posted by wingless View Post
My uninformed impression is that some bicycles are faster than others.

My street operation also includes getting passed by others. It appears that those passing me have much nicer / more expensive bicycles than mine. Even when I "turn on the gas" and pedal as-hard and as-fast as I can, I am unable to either catch the passing bike (usually), or maintain that pace (less often).

Sure, many are more fit / stronger than me, but I think that is only part of the equation. There has to be a reason people spend 5X, 10X or more than I spent on my bike and it's not just nicer parts.
You might be surprised.
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Originally Posted by wingless View Post
My uninformed impression is that some bicycles are faster than others.

My street operation also includes getting passed by others. It appears that those passing me have much nicer / more expensive bicycles than mine. Even when I "turn on the gas" and pedal as-hard and as-fast as I can, I am unable to either catch the passing bike (usually), or maintain that pace (less often).

Sure, many are more fit / stronger than me, but I think that is only part of the equation. There has to be a reason people spend 5X, 10X or more than I spent on my bike and it's not just nicer parts.
There are always bicyclists who will be faster than you no matter who you are. However, it's really got very little to do with the bike. Just like a car, the engine makes it go faster. Fast riders do usually ride nice bikes. That's because they've gotten as fast as they can get on their old bike, so they try to buy more speed. That works to a very small extent. Training is a hammer. Buying speed is a feather. Like said above, to ride faster you have to ride faster and further. To a large extent, distance = strength. Try building your mileage up to 5000 miles a year while doing a lot of hill riding. Bingo, you'll be fast, no matter the bike.
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Originally Posted by NoWhammies View Post
Today I was out for a ride. Nothing too crazy mind you. Just a regular weekend ride.

So I was riding at 31km/h which for me is my regular peddling speed. Then over my left shoulder I get passed by a fellow roadie. No biggie. I'm passed by faster riders all the time. But what I'm coming to the forum for help is...

He passed me like I was standing still. I mean I was spinning out at my 31km/h. But he probably passed me at 35km/h? Even faster? And he wasn't breaking a sweat/working at all. Simply pulled past me.

So my question is...How do I get to the same level of fitness? It is time on the bike (although I did that have a lot of time on the bike this summer)? Fitness? Need more training? Just natural differences between people? Other?

Cheers.
See my post above. When you accomplish that goal, you'll have enough base to think about an actual training plan with intervals, etc., if you are interested in getting yet faster. 5000 miles is usually somewhere between 300 and 400 hours, or averaging 6-8 hours/week, year 'round. Up there, you'll want a trainer or resistance rollers to keep it up during the winter. In winter, I usually do one long ride a week outdoors, no matter the weather as long as it isn't icy. The rest of the time is indoors. Spin classes count, too. It's really not that hard to do that kind of mileage. Start where you are and simply try to slowly increase your weekly mileage. Keep track of it. I guarantee you'll get faster. Remember, getting sore legs is the whole idea. If you're sore and tired and can't go fast, go easy and shorter. You'll feel better in a day or so. If you don't get sore legs, you can go a heck of a lot harder. Most people have no idea how hard they can really go. Try to find that out.
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Originally Posted by wingless View Post
My uninformed impression is that some bicycles are faster than others.

My street operation also includes getting passed by others. It appears that those passing me have much nicer / more expensive bicycles than mine. Even when I "turn on the gas" and pedal as-hard and as-fast as I can, I am unable to either catch the passing bike (usually), or maintain that pace (less often).

Sure, many are more fit / stronger than me, but I think that is only part of the equation. There has to be a reason people spend 5X, 10X or more than I spent on my bike and it's not just nicer parts.
I think a strong rider on a WalMart type bike would be able to past most wanna be riders out there I have many bikes and some cost a few hundred dollars to some that cost almost ten thousand dollars and not to much difference's in overall speed just alot more comfort riding a bike with di2 verse a older downtube shifting bike
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In order to ride fast, you must ride fast.
Ha ha ha!!!
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Was the guy passing you riding a single speed/fixed gear? Was he significantly more aero?
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Originally Posted by NoWhammies View Post
Today I was out for a ride. Nothing too crazy mind you. Just a regular weekend ride.

So I was riding at 31km/h which for me is my regular peddling speed. Then over my left shoulder I get passed by a fellow roadie. No biggie. I'm passed by faster riders all the time. But what I'm coming to the forum for help is...

He passed me like I was standing still. I mean I was spinning out at my 31km/h. But he probably passed me at 35km/h? Even faster? And he wasn't breaking a sweat/working at all. Simply pulled past me.

So my question is...How do I get to the same level of fitness? It is time on the bike (although I did that have a lot of time on the bike this summer)? Fitness? Need more training? Just natural differences between people? Other?

Cheers.
Are you in your 50s wearing a kit? Was the guy that passed you riding a LiteSpeed and at least 80 lbs overweight? Asking for a friend...
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