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Old 10-11-18, 12:23 AM
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For me the explanation is actually runtime, not brightness.

You don't have to run a 7200 lumen light at 7200 lumens and running it at lower power extends runtime. I'll bet this thing can run from dusk to dawn at 1000 lumens.

I'm looking at the Lupine Piko R 7 Smartcore for the same reason - extended burn time. 1800 lumens is more than anyone will need but it will run for 7 hours at 750 lumens.

They said the same thing when I bought an Exposure Strada 1200 - too bright, a waste, etc. Again, the point is time, not power. It burns 3 hours at 1200 lumens but can easily run six hours if dropped to lower power when full brightness isn't needed. I rode 53 miles last night and it still had 63% charge. It will run >10 hours at 350 lumens.

Even apart from runtime, Lupine lights are state of the art even when judged against other German made lights. Their quick release handlebar mount puts everyone else to shame and the electronics are second to none.


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I use my lupine Wilma the same way. 570 lumens will give me eight hours around 70f degrees. Below freezing seven hours, about 20F even less. I carry two batteries when I do my winter centuries in the dark (and another complete back up light). My 15+ year old Edison 10 is a great light. Ahead of it's time back then. But the battery finally started to die. The eight hour battery was $300, the Wilma was $600. I have spent way too much by trying to get powerful lights cheaply. The Edison 10 was max 900 lumens and the electrodes wear out. The Wilma max is 2400 or eight hours at 570 lumens. All the things people don't mention .like circuit breaker protection for something like a short in the system that is resettable, all the other gages etc. Make the Wilma and the Pico great lights. Probably the best brand of lights on the planet. I love the Lupine tail light too. the lens gives you the punch in the center like some other lights, but, gives full visibility at all angles too, Also my Wilma is a few years old they are now much brighter and cheaper.
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It is likely that battery replacement cost will exceed the cost of a complete high-end headlight system.
No Not at all. Also all the lupine lights are backwards compatible. The new stuff works with the old stuff. Also batteries will work with other light heads too,
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No Not at all. Also all the lupine lights are backwards compatible. The new stuff works with the old stuff. Also batteries will work with other light heads too,
That is correct for all their other headlights, except it is not correct for this new Alpha headlight. This new Alpha headlight has a unique battery pack.
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The headlight has a mobile phone application and a Bluetooth remote control.
Because you want to be standing behind a lead-lined blast wall during ignition?
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The Lupine Lighting Systems Alpha performance off-road racing light looks very impressive. It is a little pricey at €1,080. The site lists that product as currently not available.

The voltage rating for the two-pole Europlug wall wart isn't listed, so it's currently unknown if that will work in the US using an adapter.

The headlight has a mobile phone application and a Bluetooth remote control.
If you go to the North American Lupine Website they are in stock and ready to ship as that is where I bought mine yesterday. They only received about 20 of them and they are pretty much gone already according to the person I talked with..
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So, you just spent $1,300 on a light that's too bright to use on the street and 10x what you'd need on the trail? Gotta hear the explanation for this one.
Some times there are things not needed or required but does not stop one from having is how I look at it..
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The Lupine Lighting Systems Alpha performance off-road racing light looks very impressive. It is a little pricey at €1,080. The site lists that product as currently not available.

The voltage rating for the two-pole Europlug wall wart isn't listed, so it's currently unknown if that will work in the US using an adapter.

The headlight has a mobile phone application and a Bluetooth remote control.
When you buy LUPINE here in North America from there distributor, everything that is required in the kit is USA compatible and ready to use..
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The Lupine Lighting Systems 6.9Ah Alpha Li-ion battery is paired w/ an excellent Alpha Charger One smart battery charger / maintainer.

At some point that fancy / expensive 6.9Ah battery will deteriorate, from cycles, from time and from storage conditions, requiring replacement to maintain acceptable run time.

It is likely that battery replacement cost will exceed the cost of a complete high-end headlight system. My Outbound Lighting Road Edition Headlight includes a 6.4Ah battery pack that could be replaced for a reasonable cost when it ages and fails to provide acceptable run time.

If extended run time is desired / required, then just get / carry a spare battery pack for a normal high-end headlight, instead of this over-the-tip-top solution.

This Lupine Lighting Systems Alpha headlight is touted for off road racing.
Lupine is not shipping spare batteries yet for this light as for now, you can only buy the complete kit. The spare battery will run about USD$325.00 I get on average 150 charges before it is time to dispose of it...
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That is correct for all their other headlights, except it is not correct for this new Alpha headlight. This new Alpha headlight has a unique battery pack.
OK, thanks. I'll have to go look at them. Maybe I should let my dog chew up my credit cards first.
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My reply has links to lots of images and information.
I didn't miss it. I referring to an objective review. That is, when you make a 7200 lumen light claim there's only one thing that's important: how it looks. Until you get that, everything else is irrelevant.
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I didn't miss it. I referring to an objective review. That is, when you make a 7200 lumen light claim there's only one thing that's important: how it looks. Until you get that, everything else is irrelevant.
Yep, a bad reflector pattern and/or too much scatter will make any light useless.
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It is too bad that an integrating sphere is so expensive (maybe not so for someone who purchases this light) because the Lord Kelvin in me would love to measure the 7,200 Lumen output of this headlight.
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Yep, a bad reflector pattern and/or too much scatter will make any light useless.
Among other things such as power distribution. Some lights come on strong at first but then begin to lose their power and continue to degrade shortly after. Something the manufactures won't tell you. You need to first determine if the beam power/pattern is consistent over time? Power is great, but as you pointed out, it has to be usable first.
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Being a fan of SEASUCKER is also like being a fan of Lupine. I have many many of the lights as well as the flashlights and plenty of extra back up batteries, etc,etc,etc...
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That is quite the collection, thanks for sharing.

It is unlikely that even professional help would have any impact on that obsession.

+1 on the request for posting images and reviews on this new Alpha headlight.
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Being a fan of SEASUCKER is also like being a fan of Lupine. I have many many of the lights as well as the flashlights and plenty of extra back up batteries, etc,etc,etc...
These threads are my version of watching COPS. Love it. Keep em coming.

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The Lupine Lighting Systems 6.9Ah Alpha Li-ion battery is paired w/ an excellent Alpha Charger One smart battery charger / maintainer.

At some point that fancy / expensive 6.9Ah battery will deteriorate, from cycles, from time and from storage conditions, requiring replacement to maintain acceptable run time.

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If extended run time is desired / required, then just get / carry a spare battery pack for a normal high-end headlight, instead of this over-the-tip-top solution.

This Lupine Lighting Systems Alpha headlight is touted for off road racing.
I looked at the Outbound product. It is very nice. I decided against it because the shaped beam pattern eliminates the possibility of mounting it under an out-front style GPS mount using the GoPro adapter. The light would be upside down, which is fine for a non-shaped beam but not for this light.


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I looked at the Outbound product. It is very nice. I decided against it because the shaped beam pattern eliminates the possibility of mounting it under an out-front style GPS mount using the GoPro adapter. The light would be upside down, which is fine for a non-shaped beam but not for this light.


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Well then the Lupine Betty 5500 Lumen would be just for you as it is round and does not mess with your setup.. Wish I could find reasons not to buy something that is so expensive..
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7200 lumen? Does it come with a battery backpack?
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Well then the Lupine Betty 5500 Lumen would be just for you as it is round and does not mess with your setup.. Wish I could find reasons not to buy something that is so expensive..
There's nothing wrong with that so long as it provides a useful function. Nevertheless there are studies and treatments specifically designed to treat it. After all, this is a forum. In the mean time, I look forward to your objective product review.
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Wish I could find reasons not to buy something that is so expensive..
A simple cost/benefit analysis would help.

The biggest reason you might be able to find to not buy something so expensive is it isnt necessary. Buy what you want and all, but come on now- its pretty simple to come up with some reasons not to buy a product.
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There's nothing wrong with that so long as it provides a useful function. Nevertheless there are studies and treatments specifically designed to treat it. After all, this is a forum. In the mean time, I look forward to your objective product review.
I was hoping for it to arrive today so i could fire it up for my early 430am saturday ride but out of luck as it arrives on Saturday according to what Lupine Noth America told me. I can assure you I am not objective written on any subject, but if all the other Lupine Lights I have are great for me, I bet this one will be just as good and that's all what will matter. Never yet been disappointed with any LUPINE product I own and I own a lot...
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You could make your own using a red LED car light bulb and put it inside a headlight reflector for a more modest price and carry a motorcycle battery.
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You could make your own using a red LED car light bulb and put it inside a headlight reflector for a more modest price and carry a motorcycle battery.
You are new here. So I will clue you in.

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