7200 Lumen Lupine Alpha Road Light
10-21-18, 03:29 AM
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Yes there sure is in my use of this light and it seems to be just about 3800 Lumens. The cold weather we are now experiencing does help drain the battery faster than normal. I have run it up on the 7200 Lumens a few times and after about 3 to 4 minutes, the LED's start to throttle back...Try and get some pictures of it in use soon..
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10-21-18, 09:53 AM
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If that is the case, then the cooler ambient temperatures will help that condition.
There are many terrific design features, but the thermal design does not leap out as one of the strengths. Two examples are the "shallow" exterior ribs and the ribs oriented perpendicular to the airflow caused by forward movement. For the lamp to work well the internal heat must be transferred to the air. For that to be effective, tall, properly-oriented ribs are a good first step. Another feature, that is missing in this product, is an integrated ducted air scoop that directs moving air across the heat sink ribs, like exists in this Outbound Lighting Road Edition Headlighht.
My Outbound Lighting Road Edition headlight barely feels warm during operation at full intensity. My speculation is that this Lupine Alpha headlight gets very toasty warm when operated at full intensity. Is that correct?
There are two design features that jump out to me as great.
One is the Alpha battery charger. This four-function charger has all of the features that should be standard on all chargers, but only exist here. All Li-Ion chargers I've seen only charge the battery pack to 100% fully charged, toggling the indicator lamp from red to green when full. That is not ideal for many conditions because of the battery chemistry, reducing the operational life of the battery.
In-addition to providing a 100% full charge, this charger permits manual discharge to monitored state-of-charge levels. That feature is great when the battery won't be used until later, or when a completely-charged battery pack isn't required, both to extend battery pack life.
This charger also permits automatic recharge to 50%, which is perfect for long-term storage.
The other great design feature is the headlamp mount. The mount has an offset clamp that permits centering the headlamp on the handlebars. This is also a feature that should exist on all headlights, but only exists here.
10-21-18, 12:11 PM
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To be honest, I had never heard of this brand prior to reading this thread. I actually welcomed it as a potential source of information about how well the product performs. And it doesn't upset me at all that a brand rep would shill a little bit for their company, as long as it's within forum guidelines of course.
What's confusing is that neither the customer nor rep have presented us with any objective information that would allow a third party to make a determination on their own about the quality of this or other lupine lights. No photos, no videos, no test results, nothing.
It's become an ongoing ad for a company and product without any substance. Honestly, I recommend this thread be shut down as it's going in circles with curious forum members requesting information and the people who rep the brand offering nothing except empty platitudes, evading and ducking the question. Very dodgy thread IMO.
Without any substantive information provided by the brand rep or the op, this thread and their posts seem to be in violation of forum guidelines, namely against solicitation and spamming. I bold the relevant portions. But before reporting the post, I'd like to give either op or the brand rep an opportunity to offer some substantive information that is of value, aside from repetitive and grandiose hyperbole, platitudes and sales pitches.
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What's confusing is that neither the customer nor rep have presented us with any objective information that would allow a third party to make a determination on their own about the quality of this or other lupine lights. No photos, no videos, no test results, nothing.
It's become an ongoing ad for a company and product without any substance. Honestly, I recommend this thread be shut down as it's going in circles with curious forum members requesting information and the people who rep the brand offering nothing except empty platitudes, evading and ducking the question. Very dodgy thread IMO.
Without any substantive information provided by the brand rep or the op, this thread and their posts seem to be in violation of forum guidelines, namely against solicitation and spamming. I bold the relevant portions. But before reporting the post, I'd like to give either op or the brand rep an opportunity to offer some substantive information that is of value, aside from repetitive and grandiose hyperbole, platitudes and sales pitches.
https://www.bikeforums.net/faq.php?f...aq_forum_rules
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10-21-18, 12:58 PM
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It may be that the heat created by the 70 Watt lamp raises the housing temperatures so high that the internal thermal monitoring circuit throttles down the intensity to protect the device.
If that is the case, then the cooler ambient temperatures will help that condition.
If that is the case, then the cooler ambient temperatures will help that condition.
That's exactly what happens and is also described by the Lupine employee above. "trekmogul" has it backwards.
The other great design feature is the headlamp mount. The mount has an offset clamp that permits centering the headlamp on the handlebars. This is also a feature that should exist on all headlights, but only exists here.
Lupine is not the only light manufacturer to use an offset clamp. See, Gloworm, Niterider, etc.
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10-21-18, 02:22 PM
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I want to be positive and constructive to op and lupine shillguy, but we're now at 154 posts in this thread and not a single photo of this light in action. Not even a 5 second video. No independent test results measuring lumens and/or runtime. It's completely empty drivel about how this is the greatest product ever but if you want proof, here's the middle finger.
10-21-18, 06:51 PM
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I want to be positive and constructive to op and lupine shillguy, but we're now at 154 posts in this thread and not a single photo of this light in action. Not even a 5 second video. No independent test results measuring lumens and/or runtime. It's completely empty drivel about how this is the greatest product ever but if you want proof, here's the middle finger.
10-21-18, 07:29 PM
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Here is the Mountain Bike rider review of the Betty light.
https://www.mbr.co.uk/reviews/lights/lupine-betty-r14
If anyone went to the Lupine web site and looked around, one can figure out that it is a good product, And a good company. Go to the beam comparison photos.
Lupine owners are not required to find the wed page, for everyone, do it yourself. There's a lot to see at "Lupine North America." And stuff at Lupine.de I think that is the German pages.
I bought my first Lupine light about 15 years ago. If anyone thinks this is a fly by night operation just look around.
Edit - don't skip the last sentence on the page where the MTB Rider reviewer says it's the best light out there.
https://www.mbr.co.uk/reviews/lights/lupine-betty-r14
If anyone went to the Lupine web site and looked around, one can figure out that it is a good product, And a good company. Go to the beam comparison photos.
Lupine owners are not required to find the wed page, for everyone, do it yourself. There's a lot to see at "Lupine North America." And stuff at Lupine.de I think that is the German pages.
I bought my first Lupine light about 15 years ago. If anyone thinks this is a fly by night operation just look around.
Edit - don't skip the last sentence on the page where the MTB Rider reviewer says it's the best light out there.
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10-23-18, 01:35 AM
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I also when buying something, always go to the website of the company and get all the information I need plus I call them and talk to them too. Lupine of North America was and always is a great with customer service..
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10-23-18, 08:47 AM
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I just don't understand why you need so much light... it's so much your eyes will start closing down and all you can see is... the light.
Surely this is for USA only. Can't possibly be for sale in Europe?
Surely this is for USA only. Can't possibly be for sale in Europe?
10-23-18, 10:05 AM
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I wonder if those who who talk about tunnel vision due to bright headlamps actually do any night riding.
This has not been a problem with me at 2000 lumens. No more so than driving a car with high-beams causes me to go blind.
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This has not been a problem with me at 2000 lumens. No more so than driving a car with high-beams causes me to go blind.
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10-23-18, 11:03 AM
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Can't post the link for some reason? Just was there. Try looking around they even have beam photographs in the dark. and about a million other things. Look around the internet. This is nothing new. I was stopped by a Police Officer here in the USA one night. He was going the other way. He was embarrassed when he realized I was just a bike, not a motorized vehicle.
10-23-18, 11:08 AM
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Read the MTB rider review. This is not made in area 52, and is not top secret. 
It is not fight club either.
It is not fight club either.
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10-25-18, 05:12 AM
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Great as a walk around bike lamp too...
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10-25-18, 08:42 AM
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I don't 100% know how lumens work (like, is 7000 ten times brighter than 700, or is this an exponent/logarithm thing?) but that hella don't look like 7200lm to me. A low beam on a car is ~700lm and a high beam is ~1,200-- that certainly didn't look any brighter than a high beam.
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I was trying to find an actual test of Lupine products that measured lumens with an integrating sphere.
The only one I found was four years back;
It was rated for 2800 lumens, and measured 2770, so Lupine at least has a history of accuracy of 99%:
Review: Lupine Wilma 7- Mtbr.com
The only one I found was four years back;
It was rated for 2800 lumens, and measured 2770, so Lupine at least has a history of accuracy of 99%:
Review: Lupine Wilma 7- Mtbr.com
10-25-18, 09:03 PM
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There is no way to accurately capture the brightness of a lamp using a digital camera at night.
Two different cameras will show the same light completely differently.
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Two different cameras will show the same light completely differently.
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10-25-18, 09:57 PM
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The same camera can render different apparent brightness.
The human eye is horrible for absolute brightness measurement, but is outstanding for side by side brightness difference comparison.
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No, after 7 pages of build up, the light looks like 700 lumens without any diffusion.
How about another test video or still pic?
How about another test video or still pic?
10-31-18, 05:51 AM
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It is what it is and it is a LUPINE ALPHA Light that can be viewed with all the testing and charts on the Lupine Website like has been said several times here. I can tell you I am extremely please with it and it is one of my go to lights of choice always..
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