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Robert A 11-01-18 11:26 PM

Need new bars for a CAAD
 
My bike fitter is recommending that I get narrower bars. When I'm on the drops, the bike doesn't feel completely controllable. Morevoer, I can't easily turn my wrists to reach the brakes.

I have a 2019 CAAD12 Ultegra in 52 and the bike came with 42cm, C2 bars. I need 40cm. Cannondale doesn't sell their own bars except with a complete bike, so I need to go to another brand.

I'm curious what brands' bars people like, and what to look for in terms of shape. Also, what's recommended for tape? I like the Prologo Plaintouch Cork that came from the factory.

Dean V 11-02-18 12:08 AM

I like Zipp SL80. They have a bit of a flare to the drops so they are about 2cm wider at the drops than the brake hoods.
They size them centre to centre at the brake hoods.

rms13 11-02-18 12:10 AM

You can definitely find Cannondale bars online. There are a lot of used and take offs on eBay and some bike shop websites if you Google . Not saying you can't get a different brand but if you want Cannondale bars they are easy to find.

Campag4life 11-02-18 02:42 AM

If I were you, I would go 38cm. I am just over 6' and on 40's.
Many of the pros have gone narrow. Good video on youtube about this.

To me, the whole bar sizing matching shoulder width is a myth with the same veracity of KOPS.

Narrower is more aerodynamic if you like speed. You don't need width/leverage on a road bike...just slows you down and adds weight.

Dean V 11-02-18 03:21 AM

Narrow bars are also good for riding in tight groups.
Less likely to tangle bars and just rub shoulders instead.

str8jakett 11-02-18 03:54 AM

I've had an FSA Omega compact alloy bar I've moved from bike to bike for nearly ten years now. It was cheap, simple, and its been my favorite basic bar out of everything I've tried over the same time period.

Sy Reene 11-02-18 04:10 AM

Whatever you do, ensure the CDale sizing methodology is the same as whatever brand you decide to go with. Ie. some brands' 42cm bars are another brands' 40cm bars, etc. eg FSA typically sizes their bars based on the bar end distance (which with flare, means the C-C distance at the hoods is typically 2cm less than this).

Campag4life 11-02-18 05:17 AM


Originally Posted by Dean V (Post 20644560)
Narrow bars are also good for riding in tight groups.
Less likely to tangle bars and just rub shoulders instead.

that and principle reason is aerodynamics. Cd is comprised of not only height but width. Wind tunnel testing confirms it.

roadwarrior 11-02-18 05:40 AM


Originally Posted by Campag4life (Post 20644551)
If I were you, I would go 38cm. I am just over 6' and on 40's.
Many of the pros have gone narrow. Good video on youtube about this.

To me, the whole bar sizing matching shoulder width is a myth with the same veracity of KOPS.

Narrower is more aerodynamic if you like speed. You don't need width/leverage on a road bike...just slows you down and adds weight.

I disagree. Breathing and sheer comfort also come into play. Even back in my real racing days, six hours on a bike with the incorrect size...esh.

But whatever. When fitting you make suggestions and explain why and the rider decides. I just tell them if they want a second opinion, no problem, just don't take it to an anonymous internet forum.
:)

Campag4life 11-02-18 06:16 AM


Originally Posted by roadwarrior (Post 20644607)
I disagree. Breathing and sheer comfort also come into play. Even back in my real racing days, six hours on a bike with the incorrect size...esh.

But whatever. When fitting you make suggestions and explain why and the rider decides. I just tell them if they want a second opinion, no problem, just don't take it to an anonymous internet forum.
:)

You're old school RW. ;)

You gotta drink the koolaid of the young kids to stay young:
PS: now don't tell me pro's don't have to breath. ;)



Sy Reene 11-02-18 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by Campag4life (Post 20644551)
If I were you, I would go 38cm. I am just over 6' and on 40's.
Many of the pros have gone narrow. Good video on youtube about this.

I've never heard that height is any kind of determinant for selecting or basing a handlebar width decision Those GCN interviewees are mostly all pretty small in stature.. I'd want to know their dress shirt sizes.

str8jakett 11-02-18 07:19 AM

My personal experience on the width issue. The above mention Omega bars are 42cm but shoulder measurements indicated that I needed a 44cm bar so I went wider on a different bike. I tried my best to get used to the extra width but I hated it. I felt so spread out, like I was riding a mountain bike. I didn't think two extra centimeters would make such a difference. So I bought the same bar in a 40cm and the effects have been pleasant. I love it, and I don't feel cramped or feel like my breathing is restricted in any way. I'd guess it comes down to personal opinion and everyone is going to feel differently, just play around with cheap bars before you make a big purchase!

Robert A 11-02-18 07:44 AM

Do I want to stick with C-Date, or go to another brand?

Originally Posted by rms13 (Post 20644511)
You can definitely find Cannondale bars online. There are a lot of used and take offs on eBay and some bike shop websites if you Google . Not saying you can't get a different brand but if you want Cannondale bars they are easy to find.


Clipped_in 11-02-18 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by Dean V (Post 20644508)
I like Zipp SL80. They have a bit of a flare to the drops so they are about 2cm wider at the drops than the brake hoods.
They size them centre to centre at the brake hoods.

OP, I agree with Dean that Zipp aluminum bars are very nice, and can be had online at a decent price. I have them on all my bikes.
As was mentioned, they do run a little wider than many, so I suggest sizing down (but I do prefer a narrower bar). I've become fond of the SL70 Ergo bars, but I do a lot of climbing. I'm 6'3 with medium build and I'm on size 42's.

Chris(NJ) 11-02-18 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by Robert A (Post 20644752)
Do I want to stick with C-Date, or go to another brand?

Go with a set of bars that you can afford or justify and make you happy! I'm on Ritchey Superlogic Carbon bars in 42cm on my CAAD. Love those bars. I just added dps2.5 tape and they got even better.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7872909d86.jpg

Campag4life 11-02-18 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by Sy Reene (Post 20644708)
I've never heard that height is any kind of determinant for selecting or basing a handlebar width decision Those GCN interviewees are mostly all pretty small in stature.. I'd want to know their dress shirt sizes.

You are right. Height is not a determinant. I am of the school that shoulder width is a bogus barometer of bar width as well. If anatomy is a determinant of bar width, why are average size guys on uber wide handlebars on mtb's? Leverage and balance...not what lines up with your shoulders.

https://www.bikeradar.com/mtb/gear/a...h-issue-34169/

Dean V 11-02-18 10:17 PM

How does shoulder width relate at all apart from being some kind of tradition?
You have your arms between your shoulders and bars which can be at all sorts of angles which would nullify any possible relationship between the two.
Look at Froome as an extreme example.

Clem von Jones 11-03-18 01:45 PM

The FSA Wing Pro are nice compact bars with flat tops which make them more aero and comfortable. They're 40cm in the drops and 38cm at the hoods. 80mm reach and 125mm drop. You might find a better deal on them used. There are also copies of this bar made from other manufacturers. You might want a 36-hoods/38cm-drops bar of the same style. Everyone seems to like the FSA compact bars. The type or style of these bars is called "a variable radius compact bar". What ever bar you choose pay careful attention to the reach and drop measurements and compare them to what you currently have. Maybe you desire less reach for example. You can reuse your current tape.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FSA-GOSSAME...pid=1224808813

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FSA-WING-PR...Y/132816558095

Robert A 11-03-18 07:19 PM

My fitter suggested that I keep the same reach and drop as my current Cannondale C2, which has a reach of 76mm and a drop of 125mm. It sounds like these bars are very close (within 4mm of reach).

Originally Posted by Clem von Jones (Post 20646599)
The FSA Wing Pro are nice compact bars with flat tops which make them more aero and comfortable. They're 40cm in the drops and 38cm at the hoods. 80mm reach and 125mm drop. You might find a better deal on them used. There are also copies of this bar made from other manufacturers. You might want a 36-hoods/38cm-drops bar of the same style. Everyone seems to like the FSA compact bars. The type or style of these bars is called "a variable radius compact bar". What ever bar you choose pay careful attention to the reach and drop measurements and compare them to what you currently have. Maybe you desire less reach for example. You can reuse your current tape.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FSA-GOSSAME...pid=1224808813

https://www.ebay.com/itm/FSA-WING-PR...Y/132816558095


Lazyass 11-04-18 07:18 AM

A fitter can't really tell you what bars will be the most comfortable. You just need experience with different bars. It's no different than saddles. I personally like classic bend bars, Ritchey Neo Classic are good ones, and cotton tape even on my modern bikes. But I know everyone is into compact bars and squishy tape today.

The issue you posted about doesn't even sound like a bar width issue to me. Sounds like a bar tilt issue. If you have the tips rotated too high it's hard to control when in the drops, and it could also cause you to bend your wrists too much when you have to reach the brakes. The tips should be angled towards the center of the seat stays. Just throwing it out there.

Robert A 11-04-18 01:26 PM

How do you figure the right bar shape? It's not like you can easily try them on like cycling shoes.

Originally Posted by Lazyass (Post 20647304)
A fitter can't really tell you what bars will be the most comfortable. You just need experience with different bars. It's no different than saddles. I personally like classic bend bars, Ritchey Neo Classic are good ones, and cotton tape even on my modern bikes. But I know everyone is into compact bars and squishy tape today.

The issue you posted about doesn't even sound like a bar width issue to me. Sounds like a bar tilt issue. If you have the tips rotated too high it's hard to control when in the drops, and it could also cause you to bend your wrists too much when you have to reach the brakes. The tips should be angled towards the center of the seat stays. Just throwing it out there.


Lazyass 11-04-18 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by Robert A (Post 20647678)
How do you figure the right bar shape? It's not like you can easily try them on like cycling shoes.

I don't know, go to a shop, sit on some bikes and get your hands on different ones. See how they feel in the drops. Not much else you can outside of buying them. But I don't see how moving each hand 1cm inward is going to solve your issue. I have bikes with 40, 42 and 44cm bars and here's actually not a ton of difference.

topflightpro 11-04-18 06:10 PM

Specialized offers some nicely shaped bars in narrow widths (36-40). They're not terribly expensive either.

OP, one thing to be wary of is how the bars are measured. Most bars are measured Center to Center at the end of the drops. Some - Deda notably - measure outer to outer. So a 42 o-o is the same as a 40 c-c.

Also, some bars flare out a the drops where they are measured. This is pretty common on aerobars.

As for the bar shape, I suggest you look at compact bars. They are pretty popular now and are noted by the shorter reach and drop.

Voodoo76 11-04-18 10:10 PM

I’m in the narrow bar crowd. 6’ and ride 38’s. For shape I really like oval profile tops, my favorite being 3T Ergonova.

Sy Reene 11-05-18 06:14 AM


Originally Posted by topflightpro (Post 20648035)
Specialized offers some nicely shaped bars in narrow widths (36-40). They're not terribly expensive either.

OP, one thing to be wary of is how the bars are measured. Most bars are measured Center to Center at the end of the drops. Some - Deda notably - measure outer to outer. So a 42 o-o is the same as a 40 c-c.

Also, some bars flare out a the drops where they are measured. This is pretty common on aerobars.
.

and eg Zipp's bars are sized based on Center to Center but at the hoods. With typical flare, a 42cm Zipp bar will be eg. 44cm C-C at the drops


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