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ASI (Performance and Nashbar) files chapter 11

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Old 11-16-18, 02:18 PM
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ASI (Performance and Nashbar) files chapter 11

40 Performance stores wil close in January.

https://www.bicycleretailer.com/indu...1#.W-8tkBZlDYW

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This is so sad. We had an awesome store in Salt Lake and I've bought many items from them.
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I read about that on another forum. Also effects Nashbar, Fuji, Breezer, SE and Kestrel although there shouldn't be any immediate impact other then the Performance closings.

If Performance can't survive selling mostly house brands then it's hard to see how all of the smaller LBS continue to survive
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Bummer, I get some good deals now and then from Nashbar. I don't have a per. anyplace near me but Nashbar would stink if they ceased operation. Will be eager to see how this plays out.
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Originally Posted by rms13
If Performance can't survive selling mostly house brands, then it's hard to see how all of the smaller LBS continue to survive
Yep.

The industry as a whole, isn't in good shape.
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That's just great. The one shop I go to in person that has decent prices. I hope the one close to me isn't on the closure list!
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Performance Bicycles business model might have been an issue also. I think Performance had money back one year guarantee, no questions asked.
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Originally Posted by colnago62
Performance Bicycles business model might have been an issue also. I think Performance had money back one year guarantee, no questions asked.
They stopped that policy in 2016.
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Originally Posted by colnago62
Performance Bicycles business model might have been an issue also. I think Performance had money back one year guarantee, no questions asked.
REI has a one year return policy and up until a couple of years ago it was a lifetime return policy.
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Originally Posted by rms13
REI has a one year return policy and up until a couple of years ago it was a lifetime return policy.
https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...s-to-one-year/

It does seem like one year is the sweet spot for returns. The article talks about several other local (to me) companies that also amended their return policies due to unacceptable loss.
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I think it simply comes down to... Kids don't ride bikes anymore. In 1970, 1980, 1990.. EVERY kid, whose family was above the poverty line, had bike. Today, EVERY kid has at least one game console. That industry - video games - is doing quite well, coincidentally.

Note to hostile nations seeing our future physical weaknesses: Yes. As a people, Americans will absolutely be a lot fatter and weaker in the coming years. But, and this is important, we will be amazingly adept at flying drones and other unmanned machines from the comfort of climate controlled recliners. ;-)
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Originally Posted by Zaskar
I think it simply comes down to... Kids don't ride bikes anymore. In 1970, 1980, 1990.. EVERY kid, whose family was above the poverty line, had bike. Today, EVERY kid has at least one game console.
I suspect this is only the beginning of the bankruptcies we will see in the Industry.

One of the big 3 American brands has been rumored to be in financial trouble for years.
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Nashbar has, for the last year, been a less and less impressive place to get...most anything.
they often don't have the basics thry used to like brakes(levers, calipers, etc), wheelsets, cranks, or tape.
their house branded frames....gone.
their branded jerseys, socks, arm warmers, etc- often not listed.

maybe its been due to lack of $.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Nashbar has, for the last year, been a less and less impressive place to get...most anything.
they often don't have the basics thry used to like brakes(levers, calipers, etc), wheelsets, cranks, or tape.
their house branded frames....gone.
their branded jerseys, socks, arm warmers, etc- often not listed.

maybe its been due to lack of $.
I buy a lot there but service is very underwhelming. Last order they sent me wrong size stem. The only way to get a replacement was to call on the phone and talk to a very sweet older lady like it's a mom and pop. I'm spoiled by Amazon where I go online set up my return in two seconds and print a shipping label . Evolve or die
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Yeah, it sucks that so many stores are going to get shuttered. Feel like part of their problem might be that they never really catered particularly well to any brand of cyclist. Some of the stores I've known also didn't have much in the way of community involvement going on. On the bright side, Performance is having a rad sale right now. I just got some sweet Giro shoes 30% off at my local store.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
I suspect this is only the beginning of the bankruptcies we will see in the Industry.

One of the big 3 American brands has been rumored to be in financial trouble for years.
Can you remind me what is the third? I can only recall Specialized and Trek. Cannondale is American, but owned by Canadians. Does that count?
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Originally Posted by beermode
Can you remind me what is the third? I can only recall Specialized and Trek. Cannondale is American, but owned by Canadians. Does that count?
Schwinn, if course! Been in trouble for years...and years.
or mongoose? Gt? QBP's assorted brands?
Fuji since its owned by ASI?...well that's the subject of this very thread, so not that.

huh, I really can't think of a 3rd that would be considered big. I guess QBP's assorted brands would be what I view as 3rd biggest and thats only if you add the 3 big brands together.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Schwinn, if course! Been in trouble for years...and years.
or mongoose? Gt? QBP's assorted brands?
Fuji since its owned by ASI?...well that's the subject of this very thread, so not that.

huh, I really can't think of a 3rd that would be considered big. I guess QBP's assorted brands would be what I view as 3rd biggest and thats only if you add the 3 big brands together.
Schwinn, Mongoose and GT are all owned by Dorel(as well as Cannondale). I guess there are technically on 2 big American bike companies.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
Schwinn, Mongoose and GT are all owned by Dorel(as well as Cannondale). I guess there are technically on 2 big American bike companies.
yeah, was joking about Schwinn, Mongoose, and gt since Cannondale was mentioned earlier as a guess and they are all owned by the same parent.

so what company has been in financial trouble for years?

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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
yeah, was joking about Schwinn, Montrose, and gt since Cannondale was mentioned earlier as a guess and they are all owned by the same parent.

so what company has been in financial trouble for years?
I guess SRAM could be called a big American bike company, but they aren't rumored to be in deep financial trouble.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
I guess SRAM could be called a big American bike company, but they aren't rumored to be in deep financial trouble.
I'm confused.

you said this earlier-
One of the big 3 American brands has been rumored to be in financial trouble for years.

its been asked what company you are referring to, but you have only mentioned an company that isnt the one you mean.
am Islow in the pick up and missing something here?
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I thought Specialized was Canadian.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
I'm confused.

you said this earlier-
One of the big 3 American brands has been rumored to be in financial trouble for years.

its been asked what company you are referring to, but you have only mentioned an company that isnt the one you mean.
am Islow in the pick up and missing something here?
I'm not going to spread the rumor, because I can't prove anything.
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A lot of (american?) bike companies, maybe all, seem to go through this .

It starts with some one who has a dream. They have the skills and vision to design great bikes and frames. They build some nice bikes and the masses catch on that these are quality products. This company needs to produce more and get investors invloved. Company floats to the top of the charts, bigger company that knows nothing about the industry buys the smaller company. Everyone leaves the bike company, company goes bankrupt.

Felt, Blue Competition, Diamondback (although they do seem to be making a comeback) and maybe even dare to say Klein but they were bought out by an established bike company. Heck, I think even John Cobb (bike seats) got bought out recently by an investor.

Maybe not the exact same as Nashbar/Performance but both of these companies seemed to do well before they were bought out by an investment company.

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Perf bikes - Black Fri sale?

Says 30% off across the site, but I don't see that at check out. Am I missing something?
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