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Speedplay Zero Stainless Pedal Wear Question...

Old 12-10-18, 07:04 AM
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Speedplay Zero Stainless Pedal Wear Question...

So, I picked up a new pair of Speedplay Zero stainless pedals because they are my fav. I have countless miles on my current Speedplay Zero's which I properly maintain by injecting bearing grease...keep the cleat lubricated with chain lube etc... and they have been great.

But what the new pedals revealed was, just how worn my old Zero's are. Same cleats which aren't very old...were tried with both old and new Zero's. My old Zero's like me are getting long in the tooth it seems with too much freedom when clipped in. Sloppy in the vertical plane in terms of controlling the base of the shoe.

Rebuild kits are few and far between but are $100 or so anyway. The bowties can be ordered out of asia for a fair price. But I believe its the metal groove between the bowties that maybe worn which likely would require replacing the entire nylon pedal body...presuming the pocket has a metal insert that wears...the female metal groove which corresponds the cleat C retainer on the front and back of the round pedal.

Can anybody confirm that if wear gets to a certain point that the entire body of the pedal must be changed to restore new like engagement?

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Old 12-10-18, 07:59 AM
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The way I check for wear is to grab the round lollipop part of the pedal and push in and out and wiggle it. If there's play, it's probably time to replace the bearings. But I stopped rebuilding them, since you can now buy new pedals, that come with a set of cleats, for around $150.00.
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I have worn out lots of cleats on X (16 yrs) but the pedals are tight on cleat replacement.
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That's sorta where I am with the economics of SP. I have a pair of Zero stainless in my parts drawer that probably could use new bodies and/or rebuild; but since new bodies are $100 and walkable cleats are the only option now @$55, I just put a set of newer CroMo Zeros on when I built my last bike. Might be better bearings in the Stainless?not sure, but weight/performance wise the difference is neglible, and I kinda like the stealth black look of the CroMo spindles.

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The way I check for wear is to grab the round lollipop part of the pedal and push in and out and wiggle it. If there's play, it's probably time to replace the bearings. But I stopped rebuilding them, since you can now buy new pedals, that come with a set of cleats, for around $150.00.
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Bearings, bodies, and bowties are the same across all levels. Only the spindle changes.

A good way to measure wear on Speedplays is the R and L on the body. When they are worn away, it's time to replace.

Regarding rebuilding, it can be done, but it's not really worth it. Also, before you embark on that plan, make sure you can remove the retention screw. Sometimes they get stuck and are pretty much impossible to remove.
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I've read that's a b*&%tch to remove -but never attempted. Heard a tip of using a soldering iron or similar implement to heat the bolt head and loosen factory loctite bond.

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Regarding rebuilding, it can be done, but it's not really worth it. Also, before you embark on that plan, make sure you can remove the retention screw. Sometimes they get stuck and are pretty much impossible to remove.
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I've read that's a b*&%tch to remove -but never attempted. Heard a tip of using a soldering iron or similar implement to heat the bolt head and loosen factory loctite bond.
Sometimes it's super easy. Sometimes it is impossible - even with the soldering iron. The newer the pedal, generally the easier it is to remove.

But the rebuild requires pulling the bearings out of the old pedal and swapping them over. If I am getting new pedal bodies, I want new bearings too. In the past, I've bought new cro-moly pedals and swapped the bodies over to existing stainless spindles or bought J&L titanium spindles for $30 online.
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Zero body + bearing kits = $128! Not for the faint hearted to teardown. Speedplay really has it figured out how to extract maximum revenue. Great pedals though.

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But the rebuild requires pulling the bearings out of the old pedal and swapping them over. If I am getting new pedal bodies, I want new bearings too. In the past, I've bought new cro-moly pedals and swapped the bodies over to existing stainless spindles or bought J&L titanium spindles for $30 online.
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Thanks a lot to everybody for sharing your experience. This forum is invaluable for comparing notes how to best navigate the cycling hobby.

Looks like I maybe retiring my Zero's after ten's of thousands of miles and countless seasons of enjoyment. Yes, Speedplay has the formula for extracting revenue to be sure but as the saying goes, if a company makes a better mousetrap, some things are worth paying for. I ride about 12mm or so of spindle behind my first metatarsal and Speedplay extension plates and with their wide open float and dual side entry, they work the best for me. They have also proven to be durable with periodic grease injections though it maybe time to call it a season on my old pair.

No, I don't want to rebuild them for all the good reasons posited. Not worth it as discussed.

Thanks again everybody.

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When I was running Speedplay i would buy up every used pedal I could find. I would scavenge parts. When that didn't work I could buy them direct for not much. Regular maintenance is really an easy thing to do. Bearing swaps aren't hard. Yes the grooves get worn out on the body but new bowties do help that feeling immensely. Regardless - if you have the $ then just buy new pedals (they have new cleats in them anyway) and keep what you can on the old one for parts - even if it's just the spindles. Also little known hack - just buy the cheap chromo for replacement and use your stainless spindles in the new pedals when you get them - as long as they aren't super worn or grooved out.
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001 View Post
When I was running Speedplay i would buy up every used pedal I could find. I would scavenge parts. When that didn't work I could buy them direct for not much. Regular maintenance is really an easy thing to do. Bearing swaps aren't hard. Yes the grooves get worn out on the body but new bowties do help that feeling immensely. Regardless - if you have the $ then just buy new pedals (they have new cleats in them anyway) and keep what you can on the old one for parts - even if it's just the spindles. Also little known hack - just buy the cheap chromo for replacement and use your stainless spindles in the new pedals when you get them - as long as they aren't super worn or grooved out.
Precisely the depth of insight I was looking for. Not only are you a wheel expert but also on Speedplays.

Thanks Rob!
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Originally Posted by topflightpro View Post
Bearings, bodies, and bowties are the same across all levels. Only the spindle changes.

A good way to measure wear on Speedplays is the R and L on the body. When they are worn away, it's time to replace.

Regarding rebuilding, it can be done, but it's not really worth it. Also, before you embark on that plan, make sure you can remove the retention screw. Sometimes they get stuck and are pretty much impossible to remove.
That's a good tip. I was thinking about changing out my cleats sensing a little bit of a rocking feel. Just went out to the garage and looked at the pedals on my Road bike. Wow, no R or L on either side. I'll swap over the newer pair on my track bike & see if that feels different.
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Originally Posted by Voodoo76 View Post
That's a good tip. I was thinking about changing out my cleats sensing a little bit of a rocking feel. Just went out to the garage and looked at the pedals on my Road bike. Wow, no R or L on either side. I'll swap over the newer pair on my track bike & see if that feels different.
Agree, good tip from tfp.
Checked mine too and R & L virtually gone.
Comparing old versus new Zero's with same cleats, cleats being pretty fresh, old Zero's have big slop in the shoe floor angle relative to the ground...can rock both my feet quite profoundly if trying when riding. Time to retire the old Zero's and pick up some new ones. They did their job well.

I like the idea of keeping them for back up...but would only attempt to take them apart if essential. I believe its likely the entire pedal wears out in unison...spindles on some level, bearings and pedal body including bow ties. If breaking the Loctite bond is a bit of PITA as reported...a bit of a lottery to remove the screw with heat, best to just retire them and keep them in the spare parts bin for a rainy day.

Thanks for all the great advice.
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The chro-mo sets are so cheap that I just buy a new cleats/pedals set whenever my cleats wear out. I've moved pedals to two other bikes this way, plus have a couple of spare sets in the drawer if ever needed.
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A couple hours on new pedals/cleats today, awesome & very stable again
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