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Food for thought - Vegan/Vegetarian/Healthy Options

Old 01-11-19, 07:33 PM
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Smoothies are great. Blueberries, blackberries or strawberries. Spinach, kale, arugula or any greens. Hemp hearts for complete protein. Water, coconut water/milk, almond milk or hemp milk.
Delicious and healthy.
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Old 01-11-19, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Abe_Froman View Post
I find theft to be the more compelling moral argument against honey
Bees seen to agree with you. They'll sting the **** out of anybody who invades their nest. We've all seen video in documentaries of native people climbing 100 feet up a tree and crawling out on a precarious branch, and then getting stung to hell and back, to get their family some honey. Really makes you appreciate grocery stores.

Apiaries might be a slightly different story, but people who work in them dress up like they're going to meet ET, so maybe not.
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Old 01-13-19, 10:30 AM
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During rides I eat only sources of sugar that cause no gastrointestinal distress, and dates work well for me (which also have a good blend of sugars for maximizing uptake). Note that my rides are at tempo or higher pacer. We have no need for fats or proteins during such rides. Proteins are needed after the ride, once muscle repair starts (and before it starts, your body has a brief period of accelerated glycogen loading that can help you recover faster for the next ride). How to eat for athletics is well researched, with good data, and I'm making my decisions on the results of what I've read from the physiological studies, and never from Internet forums
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Old 01-13-19, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by stanion View Post
How to eat for athletics is well researched, with good data, and I'm making my decisions on the results of what I've read from the physiological studies, and never from Internet forums
Well, now I am going to post all those physiological studies into this thread, so you will have no reliable source of information.
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Old 01-13-19, 06:35 PM
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been vegan for 3 years, for long rides I usually packed a burritos (red beans, chickpeas, hummus, tomatoes, tvp, sauces) for savory type of meal and peanut butter & banana sandwich for the sweet part.
It is a bit of a struggle to find vegan options out on the street, I live in south east Asia, so preparation is key.
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Old 01-14-19, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by 50PlusCycling View Post
If it exists, it is natural.

Having ridden in the pro peloton, albeit for a single season, I have little regard or respect for records of any type. Some of those whom I thought were the noblest I had ever met turned out to be cheaters.

My sister was a huge fan of Morrissey, who, while in the Smiths, had an album called "Meat is Murder." My sister and her best friend were such fans that they became vegetarians themselves. Then, one night, a friend of theirs who worked at the Sunset Towers, a hotel in Hollywood, tipped them off that Morrissey was staying at the hotel. They went to spy, and hopefully see Morrissey, and their friend let them take his room service cart to his room (at the time she was a waitress working in another hotel). My sister was quite shocked to see that Morrissey had ordered a large steak for dinner. She is no longer a vegetarian.

I'll admit that I haven't tried a vegetarian diet myself. But I have never seen the need. I have no ideological opposition to any kind of food, because the firmest rule of nature is that living things eat other living things, be they plants or animals. Plants may not have fur, or be able to run, but they are quite alive, there are male and female varieties, and they are quite capable of communicating with each other. I eat what I like, when I want to eat it, cycling allows me to maintain my health.

I live in Japan, where vegetarianism is seen as something of western novelty, a odd lifestyle enjoyed by people with more money and less sense. Having been a country were food has never been locally abundant, and even now is much more costly than in America or Europe, the Japanese do not turn up their noses at any particular kind of food. The Japanese culture values food of all types, and any ideological opposition to food of any type is seen as silly.
This is the biggest hypocrisy that exists among vegetarians. If they were truly as righteous as they pretend they'd wither away and die without touching a single living organisms to stay alive.

One more thins, some plants do have fur. Or at least a close facsimile.
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Old 01-14-19, 07:45 AM
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I can sympathize with the OP. I too make bad food decisions on a daily basis. My "cleaned up" diet would be most anyone else's nightmare diet.
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
This is the biggest hypocrisy that exists among vegetarians. If they were truly as righteous as they pretend they'd wither away and die without touching a single living organisms to stay alive.

One more thins, some plants do have fur. Or at least a close facsimile.
You really have a chip on your shoulder about this.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
You really have a chip on your shoulder about this.
I think you're experience an episode of negative transference. I have no emotional feeling toward either parties.
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Old 01-14-19, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Yeah...i guess I just disagree. A lack of formal plan doesnt mean a person's diet cant be compared to that of a person who does follow a specific dietary plan(or lifestyle).
If Tom has toast for breakfast, fast food for lunch, and home cooked dinners- thats his dietary plan. It might be lacking in areas and overly abundant in other areas, but its his diet and if he is aware of what he is eating then its effectively his dietary plan. Meaning if he is educated as to what he is eating and choosing to eat it, then its a dietary plan and can be compared to a different dietary plan/lifestyle.
Right ... but ..

Suppose were trying to determine whether a program of daily walking offered greater fitness benefits than a program of vigorous cycling thrice weekly. Comparing either to the health and fitness of a sedentary person would be pointless. Two exercise plans compared to no exercise plan? You'd learn nothing. The comparison can be made ... but the results are already known. ANY exercise plan---like an dietary plan---is better than random and careless.
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Old 01-14-19, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
I think you're experience an episode of negative transference. I have no emotional feeling toward either parties.
okay, i won't believe my lying eyes ....
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
This is the biggest hypocrisy that exists among vegetarians. If they were truly as righteous as they pretend they'd wither away and die without touching a single living organisms to stay alive.
Speaking for myself, I'm not a vegetarian to be "righteous;" I'm a vegetarian because I don't like meat.

YMMV, as they say.
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