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I want what he's got....

Old 01-06-19, 03:34 AM
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I want what he's got....

Not really, but kinda.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-...-fail/10687726

Look at this guy. This is both comical if not a little sad...more comical than sad IMO FWIW...not uncommon in cycling of course but a bit of a rarity at 90. How many competitive 90 y.o. cyclists do you know? At age 90, an outlier for sure. Some of you guys have seen the 100+ year old guy who set the hour record for his age group which is about the speed a decent 50 y.o. can ride...lol.

But look at this guy at age ninety. He looks 70...perhaps younger. Whatever he's taking...testosterone, steroids, growth hormone, EPO...whatever cocktail he's on, I want to look like him when I'm ninety...not that I will make it that far...most don't.

Any of you guys follow this? Anybody here know how fast this 90 y.o. is in a sprint? I want to know if I have a shot against this guy at age 64. All I know is looking at him, gives us all pause to consider the sauce...or magic cocktail that nature stops making for us as we age.

I have a doctor friend who is 69. He is a relatively new cyclist. Typical type A doctor who of course like a lot of us getting older and thinking about our mortality, we are always wondering about the fountain of youth and key to being in great health as we age. Of course we hate getting weaker and don't want to break down. We still want to chase women and live like young men. But, what's the formula? We have seen great athletic stars go over the edge and flame out young-ish by taking too much stuff their body wouldn't support. Of course we don't want to fall into the black hole of chronic fatigue (pain) syndrome due to over training or other auto immune unknowable body dysfunctions as reflected in the other thread. But this doctor has a body of a 30 year old. Has a six pack. Yes, he is careful about his diet and exercises to extreme but I have never seen a guy with a body this shredded for his age. Btw, I am pretty cut as well though not as shredded as this guy. I take no supplements other than a multiple vitamin and whey protein powder to maintain lean muscle. Like the doctor I don't drink much alcohol. But I am 'quite sure' the good doctor isn't adhering to the 'natural formula' of what his body gives him. No 70 y.o. looks like him. I suspect with his background he is on a magic sauce to look like he does. We have talked about it and I don't think he is telling me everything.

Thought you guys may like a laugh. Honestly, at 90, whatever he wants to do. Sure, his record maybe tainted. Doping and cycling are as old as...well that old guy.
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Old 01-06-19, 08:58 AM
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From a Guardian article covering this:
"The anti-doping rule violation was “more likely than not” to have been caused by the consumption of a contaminated piece of meat the night before the race, according to Usada. A test undertaken the day before had returned a negative result."
I'm inclined to agree - no-one who knows what they're doing takes steroids the day of competition. There's no benefit
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Originally Posted by Litespud View Post
From a Guardian article covering this:
"The anti-doping rule violation was “more likely than not” to have been caused by the consumption of a contaminated piece of meat the night before the race, according to Usada. A test undertaken the day before had returned a negative result."
I'm inclined to agree - no-one who knows what they're doing takes steroids the day of competition. There's no benefit
But this is America dam it where you are tried in the court of public opinion and guilty until proven innocent. No doubt you watch cable news.
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Why should we - anyone - care what kind of drugs or medicine a guy takes at 90 to keep his body going? A title, a record, so what? As far as I'm concerned, any of the controversy or disqualifications are compelling endorsements of whatever he's doing.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
Why should we - anyone - care what kind of drugs or medicine a guy takes at 90 to keep his body going? A title, a record, so what? As far as I'm concerned, any of the controversy or disqualifications are compelling endorsements of whatever he's doing.
Hard to argue with you. But a 'last hurrah' aka hail mary of drug ingestion could elevate his performance compared to other competing 90 y.o's...hard to even type that...what is the point at 90? But yeah if a steady diet to get him to this point then a compelling argument more of us should consider his magic elixir. The guy looks great and pretty clear from his performance he is performing optimally for his age.

If indeed tainted meat, this would be a real shame this guy was tarnished in this manner to steal his victory.

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“USADA said the positive test was probably caused by contaminated meat eaten the evening before the race.”

The Contador Defence? Really?
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Maybe he just wants to go fast and doesn't give a crap if he's found cheating. Inverse relationship of age and giving af.
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unrelated... yet very related.

https://thinkprogress.org/alabama-su...-5c34db24bccb/

Once irrationality has so blinded the vision of everyone to the point that the morons in charge won't even fix a clear clerical error, then the whole thing just turns into a different kind of sham than the kind of sham it was before.

Honestly USA Basketball should just announce that they will no longer be providing stipend checks in Alabama until both Maori Davenport is reinstated AND Steve Savarese and fired. USA Basketball should refuse to provide stipend checks to any athlete in any state that employs Steve Savarese in any capacity related to basketball. Effin tw@t.

Here, USADA publicly admits that they believe the test result does not accurately represent reality. So what do they do? Exactly.
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Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
If indeed tainted meat, this would be a real shame this guy was tarnished in this manner to steal his victory.
This is especially true since, I believe, he was the only one competing in his age category. He tested clean the day before. He would have won just by finishing . . . if not for the tainted meat.
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Originally Posted by Campag4life View Post
Hard to argue with you. But a 'last hurrah' aka hail mary of drug ingestion could elevate his performance compared to other competing 90 y.o's...hard to even type that...what is the point at 90? But yeah if a steady diet to get him to this point then a compelling argument more of us should consider his magic elixir. The guy looks great and pretty clear from his performance he is performing optimally for his age.

If indeed tainted meat, this would be a real shame this guy was tarnished in this manner to steal his victory.
​​​​​​I used to think "what's the point at 30?" Now I'm 41. I bet if you make it to 90 you'll think differently.
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Old 01-09-19, 03:36 PM
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i did not read anything past '90 years old cyclist...' thanks for sharing this Campag4life!
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Old 01-09-19, 03:45 PM
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Hmmm...
So he has failed TWO drug tests,

Clomifene which for some reason was in a supplement. An Estrogen antagonist???

and

Epitrenbolone/Trenbolone, an androgen/anabolic steroid.

It is hard to say what to do. And, it is not clear whether athletes, even the old ones will really tell the truth about anything. Perhaps if there is only one marginal anomalous reading with a bunch of tests, then it should be ignored (for all?).

Is there a way to track the meat?

While I support strict drug standards for young athletes, over 50 or over 60? Perhaps one should look at "anti-aging". Testosterone patches are widely prescribed for elderly men. Good or Bad?

I might support an openly discussed "anything goes" category for athletes over say 60 years old.

Obviously the "off-season" drug use is an issue too. Hopefully the "Passports" are monitoring it for the pros, but not necessarily for the amateurs. But, again, who should really care about the 90 year olds?
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No mention in the article about any medicines he might already have to be taking to do anything such discounting ageing issues, outcomes from an injury or accident, or such treatments as need for actual brain or other organ functions.
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