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Re-submitting my 2005 Airborne (Van Nicholas) Blackbird for reconsideration (previous submission #1893) having incorporated feedback and made numerous 'upgrades' (BR-R8000, FC-5700, FD-7900, RD-7900, ST-6700, 3K matt carbon seatpost, PRO Stealth saddle, Conti GP5000 tyres, BB Flexi Ribbon bar tape).



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Old 01-16-24, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DCwheeler
Re-submitting my 2005 Airborne Blackbird for reconsideration (previous submission #1893) having incorporated feedback and made numerous 'upgrades'.


Way more better.

Hot

One thing my eye is drawn to is: The saddle is pretty far forward. A touch shorter stem? 0 offset post?
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Old 01-16-24, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DCwheeler
My 2005 Airborne (Van Nicholas) Blackbird Winter ride for your consideration:

Originally Posted by LAJ
Way more better.

Hot

One thing my eye is drawn to is: The saddle is pretty far forward. A touch shorter stem? 0 offset post?
The replacement PRO Stealth saddle (short nose) is very different to the previous one, though at the widest point the position is mirrored. Very much in the trial phase and likely will need some adjustments.
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Originally Posted by DCwheeler
Re-submitting my 2005 Airborne Blackbird for reconsideration (previous submission #1893) having incorporated feedback and made numerous 'upgrades'.


Pretty hot for a nearly-20yo machine. Well done.
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One thing my eye is drawn to is: The saddle is pretty far forward. A touch shorter stem? 0 offset post?
It looks to me like the seatpost clamp is not very far off of the middle of the clamping section of the seat rails. The shape of the top of the post exaggerates the forward position appearance a bit.

In related news, Primoz Roglic's new bike for 2024 has the seat slammed fully forward. I'm pretty sure Tadej Pogcar is set up the same way.
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Originally Posted by seypat
I'm trying to figure out why the dark background is magically perfect for this staging, but terrible for the Scott a few pages back. What gives? At least the poster of this photo thought it was too dark also. I realize the paint sticks out, but you can't really see the dark components here the same way you couldn't see them or the black bike in the other staging.
My lighting (a big ball of fire in the sky) was way better than the pic of the Scott taken indoors. Lighting makes a big difference. I also made some adjustments to exposure and contrast to help things along.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
It looks to me like the seatpost clamp is not very far off of the middle of the clamping section of the seat rails. The shape of the top of the post exaggerates the forward position appearance a bit.

In related news, Primoz Roglic's new bike for 2024 has the seat slammed fully forward. I'm pretty sure Tadej Pogcar is set up the same way.
Agree on the exaggeration between post and saddle. It may also be the angle of the shot.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
It looks to me like the seatpost clamp is not very far off of the middle of the clamping section of the seat rails. The shape of the top of the post exaggerates the forward position appearance a bit.

In related news, Primoz Roglic's new bike for 2024 has the seat slammed fully forward. I'm pretty sure Tadej Pogcar is set up the same way.
Likelihood is it will be moved aft approx. 10+mm, matching measurements of my other bikes.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
One thing my eye is drawn to is: The saddle is pretty far forward. A touch shorter stem? 0 offset post?
Stem length should be determined independent of saddle position.
Using a shorter stem so the saddle can be moved back and look better is about the most 'hot or not thread' way to 'fix' the issue. Itll look better, but itll fit worse. Aces.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Stem length should be determined independent of saddle position.
Using a shorter stem so the saddle can be moved back and look better is about the most 'hot or not thread' way to 'fix' the issue. Itll look better, but itll fit worse. Aces.
Goddam right.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
Goddam right.
Jrasero - See this response? This response is how the thread works.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Jrasero - See this response? This response is how the thread works.

Throwing KOP (if it's even being used anymore) out the door, and getting a proper fit if needed, would be the best way to determine all of the above. Of course, the next best thing would be one picture and one statement followed by another. Hard call though.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
Stem length should be determined independent of saddle position.
Using a shorter stem so the saddle can be moved back and look better is about the most 'hot or not thread' way to 'fix' the issue. Itll look better, but itll fit worse. Aces.
I'm not sure "independent" is the right word there. The stem length should be determined after establishment of the proper saddle position.

Looking better should be the primary goal. If your fit is worse, and you ride slower because of it, it gives people a longer opportunity to admire the hotness of your bike. Bonus! /s
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Originally Posted by Eric F
I'm not sure "independent" is the right word there. The stem length should be determined after establishment of the proper saddle position.
What you described is what I was saying. That, to me, seems like it is independent since you set the saddle position and then separate from that you set the stem.
But I do see how that's a less than ideal term since stem length will ultimately be decided based on where you are set up on the saddle.


Hmm. Not sure what word to use then. It's independent, yet dependent? Mindblow.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr
What you described is what I was saying. That, to me, seems like it is independent since you set the saddle position and then separate from that you set the stem.
But I do see how that's a less than ideal term since stem length will ultimately be decided based on where you are set up on the saddle.


Hmm. Not sure what word to use then. It's independent, yet dependent? Mindblow.
We're definitely on the same page. It's a strange co-dependency thing. Couples therapy might be required.
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Originally Posted by DCwheeler
Re-submitting my 2005 Airborne Blackbird for reconsideration (previous submission #1893) having incorporated feedback and made numerous 'upgrades' (BR-R8000, FC-5700, FD-7900, RD-7900, ST-6700, 3K matt carbon seatpost, PRO Stealth saddle, Conti GP5000 tyres, BB Flexi Ribbon bar tape).


Hot. Most of my road bikes feature setback seat posts with the seat slid forward, I don't think anyone has ever noticed it.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
It looks to me like the seatpost clamp is not very far off of the middle of the clamping section of the seat rails. The shape of the top of the post exaggerates the forward position appearance a bit.

In related news, Primoz Roglic's new bike for 2024 has the seat slammed fully forward. I'm pretty sure Tadej Pogcar is set up the same way.
The pros know how to achieve peak hotness on their bikes, even if the UCI is trying to regulate coolness out of lever position. If your seat isn't slid all the way forward and you don't have a slammed 130mm stem, what are you really accomplishing?
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Originally Posted by Sierra_rider
The pros know how to achieve peak hotness on their bikes, even if the UCI is trying to regulate coolness out of lever position. If your seat isn't slid all the way forward and you don't have a slammed 130mm stem, what are you really accomplishing?
Oh to be the guy who could respond to any critique of your seat position with a youtube video of yourself casually flipping your chain back on half-way up Monte Lussare then putting Geraint Thomas in the hurt locker in last year's Giro
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Originally Posted by 6thElement
trying to enjoy the beautiful scenery but a bike is in the way.
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Originally Posted by 6thElement
Cold.

Bike is pretty hot, though. You can tell by how the tires have melted into the snow.
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Originally Posted by 6thElement
hot for sure
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Mostly hot.

EC90 fork is the stuff, too bad it's black Out of your control, so understandable.

Am I seeing things? Mismatched cages?
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