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Everesting Indoors?

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Everesting Indoors?

Has anyone here ever Everested indoors?

I just bought an Elite Zumo direct-drive trainer and am thinking to replace my planned 160 rep hill in May with an attempt indoors on the Zumo & Zwift as there would be no downhill & food/water/rest (not sleep) would be easy - I'd be home. Any advice/suggestions/warnings? Would anyone suggest heading out and doing the 160 reps over the trainer? (The hill in question is around a 30 minute drive away.)

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SUBSCRIBED.....I am contemplating the same thing on Zwift myself. Does it really count if you do it on Zwift? That is my personal affliction with it. I am interested to see where this thread goes.
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SUBSCRIBED.....I am contemplating the same thing on Zwift myself. Does it really count if you do it on Zwift? That is my personal affliction with it. I am interested to see where this thread goes.
As far as the validity of it goes, I'd say it's as respectable, if not more, than outdoor Everesting (assuming you don't cheat and lie about your weight ). There's a list of rules published here: https://everesting.cc/virtual-everesting-rules/
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I follow some on Strava who did it on a trainer. Took him 11+ hours. I can't be on the trainer more than 2. blech.
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Eleven hours on a trainer sounds like cruel and unusual punishment.
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I had surgery for a kidney stone last week. I think I'd rather repeat that than spend 11+ hours on a trainer.
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11 hours on a trainer would be hell...but I think everesting would be hell anyplace I think.
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I went and looked it up: https://www.strava.com/activities/2046202143

Crazy. Oh and the dude's single* and rides 14k mi/year. I'd be a liar if I said I wasn't a touch envious.






*Ok that's a huge assumption. He might have 10 kids for all I know. I'm just going from what little Strava-stalking I do when I kudos his rides.

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It doesn’t, nor should it, count. Riding up hills only counts when you ride up an actual hill. This should be doubly true for any sort of “challenge”.

Good luck in any case.
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As far as the validity of it goes, I'd say it's as respectable, if not more, than outdoor Everesting (assuming you don't cheat and lie about your weight ). There's a list of rules published here: https://everesting.cc/virtual-everesting-rules/
Interesting rules, but curious how this works on Zwift, since it mentions you can pick any hill but have to go up and down the same hill (can't ride a loop). I didn't think you could actually pick where you want to ride in Zwift, and can you just turn around at the top of any hill to go back the way you came from? Does a FIT file pick up whether you had your trainer set to 0 or Max difficulty?
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Ensure your trainer is calibrated, preferably to an actual Power Meter. Then make sure “trainer difficulty” (in Zwift settings) is set to 100% in order to replicate real world feel of the slope you are riding.

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Ensure your trainer is calibrated, preferably to an actual Power Meter. Then make sure “trainer difficulty” (in Zwift settings) is set to 100% in order to replicate real world feel of the slope you are riding.


Yeah, I think that's how I understand that setting works. I was asking whether your selected setting shows up in the FIT file generated after your ride?

Also, just my $.02 on "trainer difficulty", if I do understand what it does correctly: Basically I think of this setting as a means to change the gearing on your bike, without needing a credit card to buy another crank, cassette and/or bike.

Watts are watts and you won't be going any faster, but can spin happily up a 18% grade (eg. maybe only going 2-3mph in zwift). The gearing on your real bike on the trainer could be more suited to flatter routes, and you would not likely want to invest in another bike for Zwift's 18% inclined areas. That would be silly when this is avoided by simply using the inherent built-in benefit of a smart trainer to emulate ride conditions AND/or bike gearing setup.
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Yeah, I think that's how I understand that setting works. I was asking whether your selected setting shows up in the FIT file generated after your ride?

Also, just my $.02 on "trainer difficulty", if I do understand what it does correctly: Basically I think of this setting as a means to change the gearing on your bike, without needing a credit card to buy another crank, cassette and/or bike.

Watts are watts and you won't be going any faster, but can spin happily up a 18% grade (eg. maybe only going 2-3mph in zwift). The gearing on your real bike on the trainer could be more suited to flatter routes, and you would not likely want to invest in another bike for Zwift's 18% inclined areas. That would be silly when this is avoided by simply using the inherent built-in benefit of a smart trainer to emulate ride conditions AND/or bike gearing setup.
I think you are right about the gear analogy. For me, I want to replicate my bike and power exactly. I use smart rollers and have actually ran out of gears on a climb.....that was a hairy moment because you have to keep moving lol.
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I will compare this topic to doing a century on Zwift. I did the century to get the kit and badge. Zwift had me at 101 miles, but my actual bike wheel sensor had me short of 100 miles. So I didn't consider this a "real" century ride. I am going to do that "officially" outdoors this year, that is my goal. Not sure if this is an apples to apples comparison.
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Has anyone here ever Everested indoors?

I just bought an Elite Zumo direct-drive trainer and am thinking to replace my planned 160 rep hill in May with an attempt indoors on the Zumo & Zwift as there would be no downhill & food/water/rest (not sleep) would be easy - I'd be home. Any advice/suggestions/warnings? Would anyone suggest heading out and doing the 160 reps over the trainer? (The hill in question is around a 30 minute drive away.)

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Here's the thing. Are you just trying to challenge yourself physically? Then if so, yea, doing it on a trainer "counts" because you're going to be suffering a lot for a very long time. Are you trying to impress other cyclists by posting your "everesting" story on scoial media/strava/whatever? Then you're going to get mixed reactions. I personally think it's stupid because trainers suck and not something I'd tell anyone I was doing, but it would be a hell of a workout.
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Eleven hours on the trainer. God, there's got to be another way. Sorry. Couldn't resist.
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Climbing 29,028' on a trainer is an amazing feat, but it's not "Everesting". The following are things that aren't done for the 11-15 hours on the trainer, that need to be done on the road, that all have a fatiguing effect to some level: No core engagement, no maintaining your balance on steep uphill stuff in the granny gear, no sore hands from sustained heavy braking on the steep downhill stuff, no need to maintain visual focus on the road in front, no uphill headwind to psychologically and physically wear you down, no riding in the dark to deal with, very little chance for a flat repair, no clothing changes due to temperature fluctuations, no worries about finding food/water/restroom, no need to get aero, no need to wear a helmet or riding eyewear, no need to carry battery packs to manage the batteries of your lights,/Garmin/music player.
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Climbing 29,028' on a trainer is an amazing feat, but it's not "Everesting". The following are things that aren't done for the 11-15 hours on the trainer, that need to be done on the road, that all have a fatiguing effect to some level: No core engagement, no maintaining your balance on steep uphill stuff in the granny gear, no sore hands from sustained heavy braking on the steep downhill stuff, no need to maintain visual focus on the road in front, no uphill headwind to psychologically and physically wear you down, no riding in the dark to deal with, very little chance for a flat repair, no clothing changes due to temperature fluctuations, no worries about finding food/water/restroom, no need to get aero, no need to wear a helmet or riding eyewear, no need to carry battery packs to manage the batteries of your lights,/Garmin/music player.
Not to mention rain. I did a 6000 vert climb in a literal downpour for hours. Rained so hard that it shorted out my front light. Water running down the road was almost 1 in deep and that does not even count the thunder and lightening.

Also, I don't see how a trainer can duplicate "gravity" which we know is a *****. That constant pull in the opposite direction on the way up. Given weather, gravity and wind, don't see how a trainer would qualify. Now 11 hours on a trainer would qualify for something. I cannot imagine the boredom. Plus there is no real thrill when you summit. Not for me.

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Here's the thing. Are you just trying to challenge yourself physically? Then if so, yea, doing it on a trainer "counts" because you're going to be suffering a lot for a very long time. Are you trying to impress other cyclists by posting your "everesting" story on scoial media/strava/whatever? Then you're going to get mixed reactions. I personally think it's stupid because trainers suck and not something I'd tell anyone I was doing, but it would be a hell of a workout.
For most people, such a "workout" would do more harm than good.

There would be little training benefit after a few hours.

Personally, I wouldn't put my bike through that, let alone myself.


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Not to mention rain. I did a 6000 vert climb in a literal downpour for hours. Rained so hard that it shorted out my front light. Water running down the road was almost 1 in deep and that does not even count the thunder and lightening.

Also, I don't see how a trainer can duplicate "gravity" which we know is a *****. That constant pull in the opposite direction on the way up. Given weather, gravity and wind, don't see how a trainer would qualify. Now 11 hours on a trainer would qualify for something. I cannot imagine the boredom. Plus there is no real thrill when you summit. Not for me.

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Does it really count if you do it on Zwift?
One must consult the Velominati. No other judgement will suffice.

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Climbing 29,028' on a trainer is an amazing feat, but it's not "Everesting".
That's kind of a given, considering that "Everesting" is one of the most contrived cycling experiences one can undertake.
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A while ago I rode up the Alpe du Zwift and there was a bunch of nutcases all everesting it at the time and they were spread all over the climb. I guess the good thing is you can get off the trainer and sit down for 10 minutes while your avatar rolls down the hill. No need to steer or brake and it's downhill all the way.
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