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I mean, if someone is going to put dark chocolate and coconut treats in to my 2-year-old daughter's Easter basket, I'm just going to assume that they're intended for me.
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BTW, picked up my Ardennes Plus SL wheels today and will ride them to work tomorrow. Very Nice! Thanks again for the recommendation, @WhyFi!
Wut. I don't believe it - I don't see any photographic evidence in H'n'N.
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I mean, if someone is going to put dark chocolate and coconut treats in to my 2-year-old daughter's Easter basket, I'm just going to assume that they're intended for me.
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Way cool, WhyFi. The mother of invention, and all that.
Holy cow! Just went back and read that. Inspired fix, alright.
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Wut. I don't believe it - I don't see any photographic evidence in H'n'N.
A mixed decision has already been uttered by the hottorsnots on that bicycle and, while these wheels are far, far better looking—deucedly handsome, I fact—it’s an incremental change. I will post the ocular proof here when I have a moment.
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Way cool, WhyFi. The mother of invention, and all that.
Yep. Color me impressed.
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Photo experts, some comments please. On my cruise there were some really long lenses. Not mine, but some. There were no tripods or other supports in evidence due to the conditions. Also photos were being taken from a rolling ship and bouncing Zodiacs. And the avian subjects were mostly on the move. Can either in-lens or in-body stabilization handle all that on a 400-600mm lens (FF equivalent), or was the output likely garbage? I know that when I got home and simulated the conditions, I could barely keep the stabilization indicator lit. What do you think?
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Photo experts, some comments please. On my cruise there were some really long lenses. Not mine, but some. There were no tripods or other supports in evidence due to the conditions. Also photos were being taken from a rolling ship and bouncing Zodiacs. And the avian subjects were mostly on the move. Can either in-lens or in-body stabilization handle all that on a 400-600mm lens (FF equivalent), or was the output likely garbage? I know that when I got home and simulated the conditions, I could barely keep the stabilization indicator lit. What do you think?
Hi ISO setting allowing a fast shutter speed?
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Photo experts, some comments please. On my cruise there were some really long lenses. Not mine, but some. There were no tripods or other supports in evidence due to the conditions. Also photos were being taken from a rolling ship and bouncing Zodiacs. And the avian subjects were mostly on the move. Can either in-lens or in-body stabilization handle all that on a 400-600mm lens (FF equivalent), or was the output likely garbage? I know that when I got home and simulated the conditions, I could barely keep the stabilization indicator lit. What do you think?
It depends on the quality of the light whether they get a C-rated photo or an F-rated photo or somewhere in between. I can say for sure it won't be an A-rated photo because there are limits to what consumer-grade electronics can do under your stated conditions. The best way to get A-rated photos with a long lens is with a quality tripod on stable ground under good light conditions, no matter how expensive your equipment is. And even with a long lens, closer is always better.

On the other hand, a C-rated photo can make most people very happy, as getting an A-rated photo often requires more effort than the photo will be worth. A vacation B or C-rated photo is usually good enough.
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Photo experts, some comments please. On my cruise there were some really long lenses. Not mine, but some. There were no tripods or other supports in evidence due to the conditions. Also photos were being taken from a rolling ship and bouncing Zodiacs. And the avian subjects were mostly on the move. Can either in-lens or in-body stabilization handle all that on a 400-600mm lens (FF equivalent), or was the output likely garbage? I know that when I got home and simulated the conditions, I could barely keep the stabilization indicator lit. What do you think?
The challenges of long lenses are purely academic for me - an 80-200 is the only telephoto that I own, and it's not used terribly often. That said, the impression that I get is that in-lens and/or in-body stabilization (keep in mind that manufacturers like Sony are using both in tandem) has improved significantly over the last 10 years and that impressive results are possible. I bet that the keeper rate wouldn't be as good, but I wouldn't outright dismiss the possibility of a quality pic or three.

That's pretty cool (har har).
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Capsule review: Hed Ardennes Plus SL Disc

The wheels have a stiff, but supple, ride and I had no difficulty negotiating the varying pavement conditions on a four mile commute through the suburbs, on streets broad and narrow. The bearings rolled in a way which can only be described as "silky smooth." They climbed (clumb) like a horny spider, sprinted like a cheetah for Cheetos, and I love the way they "spin up."

Actually, the effect of losing a pound off one's wheels (and a grand from one's wallet) is noticeable, but subtle. In summary, I can say they're Good Enough for Me and I need all the help I can get.
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I've got a gravel ride coming up in a couple weeks and I've started to think about prepping my gravel bike, the Haanjo, for said ride (it hasn't been ridden since Nov)... but it occurs to me that riding that riding the Haanjo means riding without power data. I'm not sure that I want to do that.

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The wheels have a stiff, but supple, ride and I had no difficulty negotiating the varying pavement conditions on a four mile commute through the suburbs, on streets broad and narrow. The bearings rolled in a way which can only be described as "silky smooth." They climbed (clumb) like a horny spider, sprinted like a cheetah for Cheetos, and I love the way they "spin up."

Actually, the effect of losing a pound off one's wheels (and a grand from one's wallet) is noticeable, but subtle. In summary, I can say they're Good Enough for Me and I need all the help I can get.


Lighter wheels def feel more lively and a wider rim (with the same tire as a narrower rim) is a subtle, but perceptible IMO, improvement, too.
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The wheels have a stiff, but supple, ride and I had no difficulty negotiating the varying pavement conditions on a four mile commute through the suburbs, on streets broad and narrow. The bearings rolled in a way which can only be described as "silky smooth." They climbed (clumb) like a horny spider, sprinted like a cheetah for Cheetos, and I love the way they "spin up."

Actually, the effect of losing a pound off one's wheels (and a grand from one's wallet) is noticeable, but subtle. In summary, I can say they're Good Enough for Me and I need all the help I can get.
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I've got a gravel ride coming up in a couple weeks and I've started to think about prepping my gravel bike, the Haanjo, for said ride (it hasn't been ridden since Nov)... but it occurs to me that riding that riding the Haanjo means riding without power data. I'm not sure that I want to do that.

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Why do without?

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Now that I think about it, maybe I could adapt the BB (386) to the P2M (24mm)...

Of course, I wouldn't want to swap cranksets every time I want to ride the Haanjo, but I do have a Shimano 105 crankset laying around in a box someplace and then I could just swap for special occasions... Hmmmmm...

edited to add: The BB is screwed in there, not press-fit bearings - does that mean it's likely an English threaded? Can I just take that out and pop in an Ultegra BB? ( @rjones28 @LAJ)

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Now that I think about it, maybe I could adapt the BB (386) to the P2M (24mm)...

Of course, I wouldn't want to swap cranksets every time I want to ride the Haanjo, but I do have a Shimano 105 crankset laying around in a box someplace and then I could just swap for special occasions... Hmmmmm...

edited to add: The BB is screwed in there, not press-fit bearings - does that mean it's likely an English threaded? Can I just take that out and pop in an Ultegra BB? ( @rjones28 @LAJ)
Which Haanjo is it? Might have the Praxis M30 BB adaptor which has external bearings but installs on PF BBs.
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