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What's Healthier, Cycling or Moderate Alcohol Use?

Old 04-26-19, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Rides4Beer View Post
One of my favorite rides starts/finishes at a shop that also has beer, some of us hang out after and have a couple of beers. Nothing backwards at all, you've got camaraderie and carbs, perfect post ride recovery.
I get all of that...but beer makes me ill these days and the thought of it before or after a ride is especially unsettling. Hey, it's no jab on anyone who does enjoy a cold brew before/after a ride, I just can't imagine it for myself.
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I get all of that...but beer makes me ill these days and the thought of it before or after a ride is especially unsettling. Hey, it's no jab on anyone who does enjoy a cold brew before/after a ride, I just can't imagine it for myself.
Gotcha, everyone is different. Being an ultra runner before getting on the bike, I'm used to eating/drinking while exerting myself. I've stopped for beer and ice cream in the middle of a ride.
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Originally Posted by Rides4Beer View Post
Gotcha, everyone is different. Being an ultra runner before getting on the bike, I'm used to eating/drinking while exerting myself. I've stopped for beer and ice cream in the middle of a ride.
I remember reading about an extreme, long-distance barefoot runner who'd have pizza delivered to him on the road during the race.
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Originally Posted by Rides4Beer View Post
Gotcha, everyone is different. Being an ultra runner before getting on the bike, I'm used to eating/drinking while exerting myself. I've stopped for beer and ice cream in the middle of a ride.
When in the neighborhood, I'd almost always pop in to one bar in Portland just because they served 8oz draught beers - the perfect midride beer serving size.
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Gotcha, everyone is different. Being an ultra runner before getting on the bike, I'm used to eating/drinking while exerting myself. I've stopped for beer and ice cream in the middle of a ride.
I was never able to eat while running. Interferes too much with being able to breathe.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
I was never able to eat while running. Interferes too much with being able to breathe.
+1. I have to slow and walk to chew something down. How some runners can chew and swallow those cardboardy protein/energy bars is amazing to me. Pills, I can swallow with no water needed, no problem. Anything I gotta chew like Gummy Bears, I need some liquid to wash down with.
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Old 04-26-19, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by slowrevs View Post
...One does not have to drink to be cool, have friends, impress the boys or the girls, or have a good time..
Yeah, I don't drink so I'll be fun to be around, I drink so you'll be fun to be around.
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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
I remember reading about an extreme, long-distance barefoot runner who'd have pizza delivered to him on the road during the race.
I prefer wearing shoes, but I'm all about some pizza during an ultra! And burgers, grilled cheese, gummy bears, pickles, pb&j, etc.. It's also the only time I drink full sugar Coke, it's the best!!


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I was never able to eat while running. Interferes too much with being able to breathe.
It definitely takes some practice, I used to have to stop and walk while I was eating, now I can eat and keep a pretty decent pace at the same time.


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+1. I have to slow and walk to chew something down. How some runners can chew and swallow those cardboardy protein/energy bars is amazing to me. Pills, I can swallow with no water needed, no problem. Anything I gotta chew like Gummy Bears, I need some liquid to wash down with.
Gummy bears, anything gummy/licorice, is one of my favorites, Swedish Fish are great!!
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I hate Cliff Bars.
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I hate Cliff Bars.
I'm good with Cliff Bars until June 1st. Then I've had my fill. Unfortunately, I tend to ride until the middle of September or whenever the rain hits.
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Im twice as healthy. After a ride I take a beer and then a nap :-)
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The Puritans got a bad rap?

"One of the things we understand now is that the initial ship that came over from England to Massachusetts Bay actually carried more beer than water," says Bruce Bustard, senior curator of Spirited Republic: Alcohol in American History.

The folks used to drink all day long...


https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31741615
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Drink up! Life is shorter that way...

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The Puritans got a bad rap?

"One of the things we understand now is that the initial ship that came over from England to Massachusetts Bay actually carried more beer than water," says Bruce Bustard, senior curator of Spirited Republic: Alcohol in American History.

The folks used to drink all day long...


https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31741615
Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die was the saying as I recall

If one survived to adulthood (21) in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, one might live to fifty. Healthy, upper class and elite individuals lived longer then as they do now. Less physical stress and more protein in diet.

Of course one could not really sell imported water in America then, though one could sell beer.

And there was no reason to haul extra water along, just catch rain as you sail. It's naturally distilled after all.

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Originally Posted by slowrevs View Post
Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow we die was the saying as I recall

If one survived to adulthood (21) in the Massachusetts Bay Colony, one might live to fifty. Healthy, upper class and elite individuals lived longer then as they do now. Less physical stress and more protein in diet.

Of course one could not really sell imported water in America then, though one could sell beer.

And there was no reason to haul extra water along, just catch rain as you sail. It's naturally distilled after all.

George Washington was a whiskey distiller and survived being shot at in battle and may have lived longer than 67 years if he hadn't been bled twice to 'help' him get over the cold he caught because he hadn't changed out his wet clothes after riding a horse in the rain.
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Originally Posted by NoWhammies View Post
I'm good with Cliff Bars until June 1st. Then I've had my fill. Unfortunately, I tend to ride until the middle of September or whenever the rain hits.

If it's the Clif Bar with coconut in it (I forget the exact flavor), I can eat that til the cows come home.
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Doin' a bit of both today.
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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
George Washington was a whiskey distiller and survived being shot at in battle and may have lived longer than 67 years if he hadn't been bled twice to 'help' him get over the cold he caught because he hadn't changed out his wet clothes after riding a horse in the rain.
Why is it so important to you for others to sanction your drinking? Like you said, it's legal. Why do you care if others do not agree it's healthy for you?
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Why is it so important to you for others to sanction your drinking? Like you said, it's legal. Why do you care if others do not agree it's healthy for you?
No, I agree with you-- opinions on opinions about opinions is pretty worthless. But, the latest science on the matter of moderate alcohol consumption and it's positive relation to longevity, and to the extent to which the supposed relationship believed sort of goes beyond science... which is interesting.
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snopes is skeptical ...ecember 6, 2010

Deleting an Urban Legend on USS Constitution



The Internet is a wonderful tool for distributing information. Unfortunately, that includes urban legends and misinformation. You made have seen this e-mail forwarded to your inbox:
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Subject: A LITTLE KNOWN TIDBIT

LITTLE KNOWN TIDBIT OF NAVAL HISTORY...

The U. S. S.. Constitution (Old Ironsides), as a combat vessel, carried 48,600 gallons of fresh water for her crew of 475 officers and men. This was sufficient to last six months of sustained operations at sea. She carried no evaporators (i.e. fresh water distillers).

However, let it be noted that according to her ship's log, "On July 27, 1798, the U.S.S. Constitution sailed from Boston with a full complement of 475 officers and men, 48,600 gallons of fresh water; 7,400 cannon shot; 11,600 pounds of black powder and 79,400 gallons of rum."

Her mission: "To destroy and harass English shipping."
Making Jamaica on 6 October, she took on 826 pounds of flour and 68,300 gallons of rum.

Then she headed for the Azores , arriving there 12 November. . .She provisioned with 550 pounds of beef and 64,300 gallons of Portuguese wine.

On 18 November, she set sail for England . In the ensuing days she defeated five British men-of-war and captured and scuttled 12 English merchant ships, salvaging only the rum aboard each.

By 26 January, her powder and shot were exhausted. Nevertheless, although unarmed she made a night raid up the Firth of Clyde in Scotland. Her landing party captured a whisky distillery and transferred 40,000 gallons of single malt Scotch aboard by dawn. Then she headed home.

The U. S. S. Constitution arrived in Boston on 20 February 1799, with no cannon shot, no food, no powder, no rum, no wine, no whisky, and 38,600 gallons of water.

I told my students, "That’s probably where the expression ‘Sailing the High Seas originated.’"

GO NAVY!
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Not only is this "forward" full of errors, it is somewhat insulting to the real history of "Old Ironsides." Here are just a few of the errors:

1) In 1799, the United States was war with France, not England. The British were actually our unofficial allies in the "Quasi-War" with the French Republic.
2) The United States Navy moved away from using Jamaican rum as part of the grog ration and moved towards more home grown spirits such as Kentucky whisky. Captains also had a strict policy against public intoxication. A sailor found less than sober was often subject to flogging.
3) Speaking of Jamaica, the colony was a major British naval station. Why would it outfit an American warship during an alleged war with the British?
4) USS Constitution defeated four British warships (Java, Guerriere, Levant, and Cyane) ...in the War of 1812.
5) Having said that, Constitution never raided the home isles. However, the brig USS Argus did (see the book Fatal Cruise of the Argus).
6) When a warship captured a merchant ship, the alcohol supply was the last thing on the captain's mind. Instead, he was looking for goods he could sell when the cruise was over.

I strongly suggest going to Constitution's website to see more about the real ship. Better yet, go to Boston and see the ship in person.Unknown at Monday, December 06, 2010

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  1. ChristopherOctober 22, 2013 at 7:39 AMIf you run the the numbers provided:
    - 209 Days on Cruse.
    - 187,700 Total Distilled Spirits Gallons used on cruse.
    - 475men on board

    This equates to 1.89 Gallons per man per day. The US Navy ration for distilled spirits was .5 Pints.
    Thus the author implies that each man aboard Constitution consumed on averag 1.89 Gallons (or 30.25 times his daily ration)a day for the duration of the cruise.

    I should also note that even If one accepts the statistics of distilled spirits loaded aboard the Constitution, one certainly need NOT accept that it was due to crew consumption.

    Note: Distilled spirits were treated as international currency and could be, and often were, traded for things a vessel may need like rope, new yardarms, provisions etc. etc.

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  2. Gordon CalhounOctober 22, 2013 at 9:29 AMvery good points. Now I will admit that the American sailor tended to be an alcoholic and the grog ration possibly caused it (a charge made by many anti-grog politicians and Naval officers like Andrew Foote). All too often when an American warship pull into port in the 19th century, European and American wine and spirit vendors had their carts at pier side.

    Additionally there are a couple document examples in the American Civil War when a blockade runner was captured and it had brandy on board, the officers "liberally tasted it for quality."

    There is once incident during the Nat Turner Slave Revolt where American sailors from two warships en route to Southampton County, Virginia came upon an apple farmer who made hard apple cider. The farmer decided to "support the troops" and handed out as much hard cider as they wanted. The officers did not stop him. They arrived a week after the revolt had been suppressed, quite inebriated. The militiamen didn’t mind because they were inebriated too.


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  3. David ScottSeptember 18, 2015 at 8:53 AMI guess they should call it a Sea Story, rather than an Urban Legend.

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  4. Stephen GriceOctober 16, 2016 at 1:58 AMAs an ex sailor i find it hilarious that non sailors are bewildered when our tales are at best exaggerated or at worst completely made up. Never let the truth get in the way of a good story is one of the first things you learn.


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  5. Ead BrownMay 6, 2017 at 5:12 AMThere's tall tales and there's factually incorrect internet nonsense

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I didn't read this whole thread. Without question, moderate alcohol is safer. Riding put me with professional medical attention 4 times. Alcohol - nothing. Maybe some posts I want to take back. Over training in cycling/anything is also worse than drinking.

This cross training stuff (off topic I know) will ruin half the folks that do it.

Hash runs are where it is at - On On.
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can't we all just do both?
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The latest research concludes that either heavy alcohol consumption or abstinence can cause dementia (look out around age, 76). If neither is better, one approach is... moderation--e.g., two drinks a day keeps the doctor away?


Loyola University Health System. "Moderate Drinking Can Reduce Risks Of Alzheimer's Dementia And Cognitive Decline, Analysis Suggests." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 31 December 2008. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081229200750.htm>.
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It's your decision and yours only. We can't help you with that.

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Originally Posted by McBTC View Post
The latest research concludes that either heavy alcohol consumption or abstinence can cause dementia (look out around age, 76). If neither is better, one approach is... moderation--e.g., two drinks a day keeps the doctor away?

I think I'm averaging .4-.5 12 oz beers per day over the past year.
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The latest research concludes that either heavy alcohol consumption or abstinence can cause dementia (look out around age, 76). If neither is better, one approach is... moderation--e.g., two drinks a day keeps the doctor away?
Is associated with, not "can cause."
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