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My fixed gear can beat up your road bike

Old 05-05-19, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Let's change gears for a moment.

(see what I did there?)

This thread isn't about the riders but the bikes and the superior aesthetic, efficiency and capability of a fixed gear bike over a geared bike is undeniable.

Many examples can be given. Look at this drivetrain...



Comparing a burly 1/8" fixed gear drivetrain with a road bike's anorexic 3/32" drivetrain is like comparing a big block Chevy with your younger sister's pollution controlled Kia. At the same time, the fixed gear drivetrain lacks flaccid appendages and Rube Goldberg actuators which make geared bikes inefficient, expensive and time consuming.

Ask your financial advisor which makes more sense - a $16 cog or a $60 cassette. Ask an engineer which makes more sense - a heavy and complex systems of pulleys, levers and cables or a light and durable fixed gear system. Ask you wife which drivetrain she would prefer you to maintain - a simple fixed gear which allows more time for the family or a complex drivetrain which keeps you in the garage all day. Don't you love your chidren enough to want to spend time with them?

And the fact that the pro racing industry frowns upon or outright bans fixed gear bikes from direct competition with geared bikes is telling. Their superior performance would instantly expose the geared bike for what it is - one of the greatest scams ever perpetrated on consumers. My guess is that Specialized and Trek would instantly cut their workforce by 75% the day after a fixed gear runs in a pro tour.

I could go on. Frames, comfort, weight, pleasing lines. It's obvious to anyone with eyes to see.


-Tim-
This the as isnt about the riders?! You sure fooled a lot of players into thinking it was about the riders since, you know, you made it about the riders.

A fixed gear is more capable than a geared bike? Huh? Some can ride a fixed gear just as well as others can ride geared bikes, but there is a reason geared bikes are so popular...their versatility and ability to open up more riding options for most riders.

Bringing $ into this by claimi my a single cog is financially smarter than a cassette is a terrible argument. Don't ever make it again since its absurd when you are riding a custom frame. Ask your accountant which makes more sense- a $200 used road bike or a $3500 fixed gear.
hmm...that argument of yours doesnt help you.

My wife couldn't care less which drivetrain I have as it pertains to time spent on maintenance. Just like i dont care about unimportant details as it pertains to time she spends on her hobbies.

As for my kids- both of them like working on their bikes(in limited amounts) and the shifting drivetrain is what fascinates them the most. The interaction between cable, derailleur, and chain is fun for them. I wpuld miss out of time with my kids if we didn't have multi-geared drivetrains. Why do you want my kids to lose out of family time? <---that question is just as dumb as your accusation.


As has now been said to you- if geared bikes are a scam, then get rid of yours. It would be inconsistent to ride sonething you think is a scam. Looks like that di2 gravel bike is in hot need of a conversion.
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Tim brought up wives, but I don't get the impression his wife cares what he rides.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Chunk this, rOaDiE

Max speed 28 = dropped on every serious downhill.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
Max speed 28 = dropped on every serious downhill.
Not to mention, all you gotta do is find one 10% hill and it's bye bye! Have fun walking!
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Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
Not to mention, all you gotta do is find one 10% hill and it's bye bye! Have fun walking!
Actually no. It is surprising how big a gear you can push up a hill with a bit of training.
10% with a 48/16 is ok. Not optimal but certainly manageable.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Chunk this, rOaDiE


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Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
Not to mention, all you gotta do is find one 10% hill and it's bye bye! Have fun walking!
Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
Actually no. It is surprising how big a gear you can push up a hill with a bit of training.
10% with a 48/16 is ok. Not optimal but certainly manageable.

Maybe we found out how those 90 minutes were spent.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
Max speed 28 = dropped on every serious downhill.
28 is a nice pull on the flat. If you're not hitting 40+, can you really call it a hill?
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Originally Posted by Zaskar View Post
Timothy, does my single speed count? 53-15

Preach it brother!!!
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
Max speed 28 = dropped on every serious downhill.
Unclip and coast.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post


All I see in your post are photos of pretty scenery. How about you quantify "real climbing" with some numbers of your own?


-Tim-
I am not insecure that I need to quantify anything via Strava, etc., but I did do this in 2017.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/23235312?beta=false

After two days you would be sobbing and needing a shuttle. In fact, I conquer climbs that you are too frightened to even consider, much less attempt without gear, and I do it in all sorts of conditions becaue, unlike you, I am not a creampuff Fashionista Barbie with a chip on his shoulder.

There is a BF member who is well familiar with my accomplishments because we rode part of the way across the country together. Not going to bother to play that card for something so trite as this cry-for-attention thread.

Now run along with your vente soy latte and vegan carrot muffin and get back to us when you've had your first.
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Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
Actually no. It is surprising how big a gear you can push up a hill with a bit of training.
10% with a 48/16 is ok. Not optimal but certainly manageable.
Maybe 10% for a quarter mile, lol. But I'm calling BS on the "little bit of training" nonsense. Here's (only) a 9% hill I did this weekend, and the top 10 KOM. First place guy is a professional, doing 400+ watts for 20 minutes, while averaging 10.5mph. And the 3rd place guy has won the Cycle to the Sun Haleakala race. Only 6 guys have averaged over 10mph. So if you can turn your 48x16 at 50rpm, that's 11.7mph average, and with a "little bit of training" you too can beat this! Nice try. Again, find a hill, and it's bye bye fixie!


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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Let's change gears for a moment.

(see what I did there?)

This thread isn't about the riders but the bikes and the superior aesthetic, efficiency and capability of a fixed gear bike over a geared bike is undeniable.

Many examples can be given. Look at this drivetrain...



Comparing a burly 1/8" fixed gear drivetrain with a road bike's anorexic 3/32" drivetrain is like comparing a big block Chevy with your younger sister's pollution controlled Kia. At the same time, the fixed gear drivetrain lacks flaccid appendages and Rube Goldberg actuators which make geared bikes inefficient, expensive and time consuming.

Ask your financial advisor which makes more sense - a $16 cog or a $60 cassette. Ask an engineer which makes more sense - a heavy and complex systems of pulleys, levers and cables or a light and durable fixed gear system. Ask you wife which drivetrain she would prefer you to maintain - a simple fixed gear which allows more time for the family or a complex drivetrain which keeps you in the garage all day. Don't you love your chidren enough to want to spend time with them?

And the fact that the pro racing industry frowns upon or outright bans fixed gear bikes from direct competition with geared bikes is telling. Their superior performance would instantly expose the geared bike for what it is - one of the greatest scams ever perpetrated on consumers. My guess is that Specialized and Trek would instantly cut their workforce by 75% the day after a fixed gear runs in a pro tour.

I could go on. Frames, comfort, weight, pleasing lines. It's obvious to anyone with eyes to see.


-Tim-


After that embarrassing situation in the early TdF where the pros were being passed up the mountains by amateurs...on geared bikes.

Good rant, 'tho- maybe there's a 70t chainring in your future.
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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Unclip and coast.
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That's where this thread is heading
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This thread contains many lolz, but this is by far my favorite one.
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Lol. So, either the person filming was too dim to understand what was coming or they just decided to watch the kid barrel headlong in to the curb, anyway.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
I am not insecure that I need to quantify anything via Strava, etc., but I did do this in 2017.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/23235312?beta=false

After two days you would be sobbing and needing a shuttle. In fact, I conquer climbs that you are too frightened to even consider, much less attempt without gear, and I do it in all sorts of conditions becaue, unlike you, I am not a creampuff Fashionista Barbie with a chip on his shoulder.

There is a BF member who is well familiar with my accomplishments because we rode part of the way across the country together. Not going to bother to play that card for something so trite as this cry-for-attention thread.

Now run along with your vente soy latte and vegan carrot muffin and get back to us when you've had your first.
That's a pretty impressive ride right there, especially the 3k ft climb. I've done 2700 but might do a 3000 ft climb up to 12k ft this fall.

I remember photos from that ride. How many days did you take?


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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
In general, you are correct that there is nothing wrong with having a sense of fashion for caring about one's appearance.

With threads asking about how fashionable hi Vis disruptor camo is or claims that showing up to a group ride in fashionable clothing intimidates others, it is tough to say there is any sort of innate fashion sense going on.
If I weren't already on the ignore list that hurtful truth would probably put me there.


I usually would not post this sort of thing, but when in Rome... well, if ever there were a thread with a theme of being petty and shallow, this is it.
just a successful attempt at getting on the "leader board" for "trending threads on BF"

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Originally Posted by cthenn View Post
Maybe 10% for a quarter mile, lol. But I'm calling BS on the "little bit of training" nonsense. Here's (only) a 9% hill I did this weekend, and the top 10 KOM. First place guy is a professional, doing 400+ watts for 20 minutes, while averaging 10.5mph. And the 3rd place guy has won the Cycle to the Sun Haleakala race. Only 6 guys have averaged over 10mph. So if you can turn your 48x16 at 50rpm, that's 11.7mph average, and with a "little bit of training" you too can beat this! Nice try. Again, find a hill, and it's bye bye fixie!

The training is not so that you can ride up such a hill at 400w but so you can do it with 250w @ 30rpm.
That is certainly achievable.
I never said such a gear was as fast but that it can be done without walking.
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The training is not so that you can ride up such a hill at 400w but so you can do it with 250w @ 30rpm.
That is certainly achievable.
I never said such a gear was as fast but that it can be done without walking.
There is a BF member who has done more than one Cycle Oregon on a SS or fixie. (Cannot remember which.) I actually rode with him for a bit one year. We were climbing up to the rim of Crater Lake from Ft. Klamath. IIRC, he also rode around the rim, which was a route option that day. Not an easy task. I'd love to see the OP do that. Up from Ft. Klamath, around the rim and then down to Prospect. Over 90 miles with almost 7,000' of climbing.

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There is a BF member who has done more than one Cycle Oregon on a SS or fixie. (Cannot remember which.) I actually rode with him for a bit one year. We were climbing up to the rim of Crater Lake from Ft. Klamath. IIRC, he also rode around the rim, which was a route option that day. Not an easy task. I'd love to see the OP do that. Up from Ft. Klamath, around the rim and then down to Prospect. Over 90 miles with almost 7,000' of climbing.

I rode last year two DCs with a guy on fixed. Combined climbing of both ~37,000'. About 6 weeks apart.

I guess he won on points, but the bike beat him up pretty bad.

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There are people who have done the Tour Divide on a single speed. I know someone who has done it. Yeah, she had to walk a few times up some steep, muddy hills but I don't think that hills on pavement are out of the question. That said, this thread is simply a troll trolling. If you have an interest in getting more people to try fixed gear/SS biking this is decidedly not the way to do it.
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That said, this thread is simply a troll trolling.
I don't think so. Sometimes it's just about having a little fun.
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