Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Rim Brakes on Carbon Wheels

Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Rim Brakes on Carbon Wheels

Old 05-22-19, 09:09 AM
  #1  
BengalCat
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: West Los Angeles
Posts: 99

Bikes: 50/34, 11-40, 11 Speed

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 44 Post(s)
Liked 11 Times in 7 Posts
Rim Brakes on Carbon Wheels

Thinking of buying a road bike with rim brakes and carbon wheels? Do you already have a road bike with rim brakes and you want to switch from alloy to carbon wheels? Stop and consider the following:

Bikes are lousy at stopping quickly at speed or steep descent no matter what the situation is. But you have rim brakes on your current bike and you want to go from alloy to carbon wheels you may regret the choice when you try to make descents that require slow speeds down steep descents. The difference as I found about between carbon and alloy after switching is greater than I had participated. (The heavier you are the greater difference with carbon than alloy.)
The bottom line the carbon wheels are much less effective than alloy for breaking the situations I describe

Many carbon wheels come with a braking track on the wheels for a better grip by the brake pads. Those wear out in a month or so.

Anyway, a factor to consider if you are considering going from alloy to carbon for whatever reason.
BengalCat is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 09:33 AM
  #2  
noodle soup
Senior Member
 
noodle soup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 6,193
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2923 Post(s)
Liked 105 Times in 78 Posts
noodle soup is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 09:41 AM
  #3  
caloso
Packfodding 3
 
caloso's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Sacramento, California, USA
Posts: 38,029

Bikes: Ridley Excalibur, Gazelle Champion Mondial, On-One Pompino, Specialized Rock Hopper

Mentioned: 57 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1820 Post(s)
Liked 142 Times in 88 Posts
I regularly switch between alloy training/commuting wheels and carbon race wheels. I use good pads and switch alloy and carbon specific when I'm changing wheelsets. It hasn't been a significant issue for me.
caloso is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 09:45 AM
  #4  
jsigone
got the climbing bug
 
jsigone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: San Diego
Posts: 9,783

Bikes: one for everything

Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 503 Post(s)
Liked 14 Times in 13 Posts
better brake pads? toe your pads? late brake into hairpins and don't ride your pads? don't white knuckle the downhill

210#s I'd climb GMR/Baldy and Palomar on Carbon wheels. Used swiss stop yellows and they are nice and hardly showed signs of wear
__________________
Rule #10 // It never gets easier, you just go faster.
jsigone is offline  
Likes For jsigone:
Old 05-22-19, 10:03 AM
  #5  
TimothyH
- Soli Deo Gloria -
 
TimothyH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Northwest Georgia
Posts: 14,156

Bikes: 2018 Rodriguez Custom Fixed Gear, 2017 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2015 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Fuji Robaix

Mentioned: 222 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6462 Post(s)
Liked 363 Times in 237 Posts
Originally Posted by BengalCat View Post
Bikes are lousy at stopping quickly at speed or steep descent no matter what the situation is.
With correct technique and properly set up brakes, this certainly isn't true.


-Tim-
TimothyH is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 10:04 AM
  #6  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 19,077
Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7993 Post(s)
Liked 197 Times in 129 Posts
"Rim brakes are perfectly adequate, nobody needs discs."
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Likes For Seattle Forrest:
Old 05-22-19, 10:39 AM
  #7  
woodcraft
Senior Member
 
woodcraft's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Nor Cal
Posts: 4,217
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1021 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 33 Times in 19 Posts
Is zombie topic a thing?
woodcraft is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 10:43 AM
  #8  
tagaproject6
Senior Member
 
tagaproject6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 8,269

Bikes: Wilier Izoard XP (Record);Cinelli Xperience (Force);Specialized Allez (Rival);Bianchi Via Nirone 7 (Centaur); Colnago AC-R Disc;Colnago V1r Limited Edition;De Rosa King 3 Limited(Force 22);DeRosa Merak(Red):Pinarello Dogma 65.1 Hydro(Di2)

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 452 Post(s)
Liked 47 Times in 33 Posts
This thread has potential
tagaproject6 is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 10:50 AM
  #9  
seau grateau
Senior Member
 
seau grateau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: PHL
Posts: 9,599

Bikes: Litespeed, IRO

Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1172 Post(s)
Liked 96 Times in 50 Posts
Alloy wheels are perfectly adequate, nobody needs carbon.
seau grateau is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 11:29 AM
  #10  
Riveting
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 478

Bikes: '13 Trek Madone 2.3, '13 Diamondback Hybrid Commuter, '17 Spec Roubaix Di2, '17 Spec Camber 29'er

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 164 Post(s)
Liked 22 Times in 16 Posts
Steel wheels are perfectly adequate, nobody needs alloy.
Riveting is offline  
Likes For Riveting:
Old 05-22-19, 11:38 AM
  #11  
str8jakett
I pedal in my sleep...
 
str8jakett's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Pulaski VA
Posts: 496

Bikes: Giant Propel Advanced Pro 2017, Giant Propel Advanced Pro 2015, Giant TCR Advanced 0 ISP 2008, Cube Cross Race SL 2018

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 85 Post(s)
Liked 8 Times in 5 Posts
Wooden wheels are perfectly adequate, nobody needs steel.
str8jakett is offline  
Likes For str8jakett:
Old 05-22-19, 11:43 AM
  #12  
WhyFi
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Got a castle in - er, Minneapolis, that's where I dwell!
Posts: 24,865

Bikes: 2016 Diamondback Haanjo, 2018 Trek Domane SL5 Gravel

Mentioned: 298 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8902 Post(s)
Liked 147 Times in 89 Posts
Stone wheels are perfectly adequate, nobody needs wood.
WhyFi is online now  
Likes For WhyFi:
Old 05-22-19, 12:02 PM
  #13  
PepeM
Senior Member
 
PepeM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 6,711
Mentioned: 179 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2613 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 52 Times in 23 Posts
Wheels? We don't need no stinkin' wheels!
PepeM is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 12:09 PM
  #14  
79pmooney
A Roadie Forever
 
79pmooney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 6,886

Bikes: (2) ti TiCycles, 2007 w/ triple and 2011 fixed, 1979 Peter Mooney, ~1983 Trek 420 now fixed and ~1973 Raleigh Carlton Competition gravel grinder

Mentioned: 92 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1646 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 60 Times in 51 Posts
Originally Posted by jsigone View Post
better brake pads? toe your pads? late brake into hairpins and don't ride your pads? don't white knuckle the downhill

210#s I'd climb GMR/Baldy and Palomar on Carbon wheels. Used swiss stop yellows and they are nice and hardly showed signs of wear
How are the Swiss Stop Yellows and CF in the rain?
79pmooney is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 12:11 PM
  #15  
Johnny Rad
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Zion
Posts: 589
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 29 Post(s)
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Johnny Rad is offline  
Likes For Johnny Rad:
Old 05-22-19, 12:16 PM
  #16  
jsigone
got the climbing bug
 
jsigone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: San Diego
Posts: 9,783

Bikes: one for everything

Mentioned: 72 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 503 Post(s)
Liked 14 Times in 13 Posts
Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
How are the Swiss Stop Yellows and CF in the rain?
socal doesn't get much rain. Never tried them in the mountain in weather but flattish club rides seemed fine. Long life pads unlike the old cork days.

I'm on the blue reynold pads now w/ their wheel. Haven't rode in the rain with this setup yet.
__________________
Rule #10 // It never gets easier, you just go faster.
jsigone is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 12:42 PM
  #17  
mgopack42 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Central Valley, CA
Posts: 291

Bikes: 2011 Pinarello FP Quatro, 1994 Specialized Allez, cheap Scattante cross bike, Mid 80's Ciocc.

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 86 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by seau grateau View Post
Alloy wheels are perfectly adequate, nobody needs carbon.
Originally Posted by Riveting View Post
Steel wheels are perfectly adequate, nobody needs alloy.
Originally Posted by str8jakett View Post
Wooden wheels are perfectly adequate, nobody needs steel.
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
Stone wheels are perfectly adequate, nobody needs wood.
Originally Posted by PepeM View Post
Wheels? We don't need no stinkin' wheels!
You guys crack me up. I literally laughed out loud when I read this string of posts!
mgopack42 is offline  
Likes For mgopack42:
Old 05-22-19, 12:46 PM
  #18  
mgopack42 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Central Valley, CA
Posts: 291

Bikes: 2011 Pinarello FP Quatro, 1994 Specialized Allez, cheap Scattante cross bike, Mid 80's Ciocc.

Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 86 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 9 Times in 7 Posts
I am no weight weenie, if I want to save 5-10 kg, i can lose belly fat! When I wanted deeper section wheels, I got alloy/carbon wheels (Campagnolo Bullet 50). I really like them, except for the graphics, and I pulled the stickers off of the rears, some day I will get around to the front. As I see it, this is the best compromise for the real world that I live in!
mgopack42 is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 01:14 PM
  #19  
TimothyH
- Soli Deo Gloria -
 
TimothyH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Northwest Georgia
Posts: 14,156

Bikes: 2018 Rodriguez Custom Fixed Gear, 2017 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2015 Bianchi Pista, 2002 Fuji Robaix

Mentioned: 222 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6462 Post(s)
Liked 363 Times in 237 Posts
Originally Posted by PepeM View Post
Wheels? We don't need no stinkin' wheels!
Hey, sliding blocks of granite across wooden boards was good enough for the Egyptians to build the pyramids.

Last edited by TimothyH; 05-22-19 at 01:22 PM.
TimothyH is offline  
Likes For TimothyH:
Old 05-22-19, 02:02 PM
  #20  
MinnMan
Senior Member
 
MinnMan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 2,752

Bikes: 2016 Masi cxgr, 2011 Felt F3 Ltd, 2010 Trek 2.1, 2009 KHS Flite 220, 1991 Bianchi Osprey

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 469 Post(s)
Liked 23 Times in 15 Posts
Yeah, I know that you veterans think that this is a redundant thread, but I am appreciating the constructive contributions here. There continue to be lots of people buying carbon rims for the first time and I'm one of them, and I would like to read what people have to say in this discussion. Pointers to older threads would also be welcome. But not too old, as developments in brake pad materials make those less helpful.

So yeah - long descents, wet/dry, emergency stopping power when something unexpected happens, yellow king vs. black prince. Do tell.
MinnMan is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 02:20 PM
  #21  
cycledogg
Senior Member
 
cycledogg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 1,119

Bikes: Cannondale CAAD4, CAAD5, CAAD7 (Optimo), '07 SystemSix, '08 Trek TTX 9.0, 2015 Cannondale Supersix Evo - ZIPP

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 325 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 6 Posts
cycledogg is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 02:43 PM
  #22  
cthenn
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Walnut Creek, CA
Posts: 2,405

Bikes: 2015 Trek Emonda SLR, 2002 Litespeed Classic, 2005 Bianchi Pista, 2016 Devinci Hatchet, Some BikesDirect MTB I never ride.

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 536 Post(s)
Liked 40 Times in 22 Posts
Meh, I'm one of the rare cyclists who knows how to "modulate" rim braking just fine. Thanks for your concern though!
cthenn is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 03:07 PM
  #23  
Abe_Froman
Senior Member
 
Abe_Froman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,517

Bikes: Marin Four Corners, 1960's Schwinn Racer in middle of restoration, mid 70s Motobecane Grand Touring, various other heaps.

Mentioned: 75 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9291 Post(s)
Liked 42 Times in 36 Posts
Originally Posted by Riveting View Post
Steel wheels are perfectly adequate, nobody needs alloy.
Originally Posted by str8jakett View Post
Wooden wheels are perfectly adequate, nobody needs steel.
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
Stone wheels are perfectly adequate, nobody needs wood.
All of you guys are doing it wrong.

Edit: Huh. Dunno how to copy images here anymore hahah.

Last edited by Abe_Froman; 05-22-19 at 03:12 PM.
Abe_Froman is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 04:03 PM
  #24  
seau grateau
Senior Member
 
seau grateau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: PHL
Posts: 9,599

Bikes: Litespeed, IRO

Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1172 Post(s)
Liked 96 Times in 50 Posts
Crabon no stop good.
seau grateau is offline  
Old 05-22-19, 04:30 PM
  #25  
mantis
Don't Bug Me
 
mantis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Northern Virginia
Posts: 200

Bikes: Canyon Aeroad CF SL 8.0 Disc, Cervelo S2, Look 585, Specialized Rockhopper

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts
Originally Posted by seau grateau View Post
Crabon no stop good.
Have hydraulic discs with my carbons. Stop good.
mantis is offline  
Likes For mantis:

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.