I dont have any beef with you shelby. And i think youre a good guy. But i do however question the current humanity's intelligence. Yeah thats its pretty much. this would have been a non issue 50 years ago. and even 30 years ago. maybe even 15 years ago.

is idiocracy getting more and more real? who knows. i say: likely!

Actually, it seems from your posts that English is probably not your first language. If that's the case you may not know that the "R word" is no longer used. There are lots of other choices!

I apologize to you shelby if you actually were offended by anything i wrote. I guess you were actually not. since this the internet. and you would have seen way worse stuff than this by now. by far. to even bother.

Just pulling your chain:50:

english is my third or fourth language. yet my first somehow. since so much communication done in this language.

greek and english are almost identical languages. but they simply use different words. but the whole build/use is the same. and no greek is not my main one. but i like it. since its easy to learn.

Good job! Most of us here can't get a grip on just one language.:twitchy:

:)

I'm no master in greek i can tell you that, i have not been there in at least 15 years but i used to live there. I understand most scandi/germanic languages.
And i guess sometime along the way i simply stopped caring since i could just as well speak english to them.

Even though i dont understand german completely i appreciate the complexity and nuances of their language. I like how detailed and deep their language is. But i hate the tone and general sound of it. not very beautiful imo.

Should you continue to go around the censor, you will be on our radar.... You can easily make your point in ways other than that.

I had a 70's steel frame crack at the bottom bracket while riding it due to rusting out from the inside of the frame.
My coworkers had a new steel fork break while riding almost immediately after he bought it.
One of the guys I was talking to at the bike shop has new super lightweight full carbon handlebars break on him in the first few rides.

I definitely understand not wanting to be liable for inspecting frames. But "we never experienced this with (other material) usually just means it wasn't or interesting or trendy to point it out, bring it back to complain about it, discuss it, etc.

Not sure why anyone thinks a bike shop should analyze a CF frame for damage. Most shops don't have the proper testing equipment, or anyone qualified to analyze the results.

This is a great point.

It isn't even the fact that shops don't own an ultrasound machine. There has to be someone trained to operate it and interpret the results. The machine is only as good as the operator.

It only makes sense to own the machine and keep trained personnel on staff if you are doing significant business testing frames.


-Tim-

What percent of crashed carbon bikes go on and are ridden for thousands or tens of thousands of problem free miles?

Manufacturing defects was mentioned earlier, so the alternative question would be what percent have critical failures with significant risk of injury without a major crash?

Not sure the answer to that question, but for me, I don’t take chances at all. I always wear a helmet, I don’t run lights, if I crash a carbon part, I kiss it goodbye.

So if you layed your bike down in a corner would you throw away the frame and fork?
How about a big pot hole?

If it shows damage, I get rid of it. As far as wheels go, I don’t ride full carbon wheels.

You are at least correct in one respect.
It certainly would have been a non issue 50 years ago when bikes were not built with plastic frames that are known to fail with no outward signs of damage.
What’s your point again?

100% of mine have.


-Tim-

What will make a damaged frame fail? Applied force, right?

I don't see why this is so hard. Apply some loads in the directions and magnitudes appropriate, see if anything happens.

Of course, legal liabilities are another story.

I wouldn't go that far. You're talking about a mix of fabric and glue, which is a far cry from metal. It certainly has its own quirks.

You really don't understand how CF frames are analyzed for damage.

I'd just say " i could only really tell you if it was not OK - even if it looks OK, i still can't really say it is. "

wle

. Are you the Lord Almighty issuing edicts??

Just tell people you don't inspect carbon frames.

See if anything happens? Then they say you broke it. Loads? Maybe but what kind of loads in what directions? So many variables there that would really be tough I think.

(replying to myself)

".... that will be $2 please ... " [since you are only inspecting for outwardly visible problems]

wle