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Keep Your Through Axle Away From Me

Old 06-07-19, 10:14 AM
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Keep Your Through Axle Away From Me

https://www.bicycling.com/news/a2775...pales-cyclist/

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I've been warning people about this for years, but does anyone listen?
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Is it Thru or Through?

I am through with them, either way. Sad!
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Is it Thru or Through?

I am through with them, either way. Sad!
Good thing it wasn't a through-and-through axle.
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They are called "skewers" for a reason.
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"...forcing him to stay in a kneeling position so as not to remove it and risk bleeding out."

???
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Originally Posted by woodcraft View Post
"...forcing him to stay in a kneeling position so as not to remove it and risk bleeding out."

???
Yeah, as is plain from the pictures, the thing was holding all his blood inside.

In summary, we may conclude that there is no part of a bicycle, including such innocent-seeming structures as levers and baby bolts, which cannot cause grievous harm to the rider or nearby people and objects in the event of a crash.
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Originally Posted by woodcraft View Post
"...forcing him to stay in a kneeling position so as not to remove it and risk bleeding out."

???
Standard first aid practice for a puncture wound where the impaled object is still in place, is to leave it there until medical personnel arrive. If it has struck an artery, then yes, you can bleed out by removing it. While possibly overly cautious, he did the right thing.
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... we may conclude that there is no part of a bicycle, including such innocent-seeming structures as levers and baby bolts, which cannot cause grievous harm to the rider or nearby people and objects in the event of a crash.
^ This.


Wouldn't dissuade me from a given product, unless the product itself showed a solid propensity to injure or fail.

As you say, most any part of a bike and one's gear can be involved in injury, in the event of a crash. All it takes is falling hard enough, or Murphy watching.

BTDT, on a handful of occasions over the decades, with other parts of the bike, with the ground, with tree branches, with the old elongated "tail fins" from 1950s/1960s GM cars, etc.
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Will you guys stop with the graphic photos in links! I'm a huge blood/gore wuss, and now I feel sick.
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Originally Posted by Rides4Beer View Post
Standard first aid practice for a puncture wound where the impaled object is still in place, is to leave it there until medical personnel arrive. If it has struck an artery, then yes, you can bleed out by removing it. While possibly overly cautious, he did the right thing.
Agree. However, I'd be more worried about snagging the superficial peroneal nerve than the popliteal artery, which is far from that location.
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There are two choices:

1. speed and convenience in removing the axle/skewer, with a potential additional risk of injury
2. an axle/skewer that requires a tool for removal, and has no "stabby bits"

Take your choice. I have bolt-on skewers on both my road bike (Control Tech Ti) and my wife's bike (PZ Racing) because flats are infrequent, it doesn't matter that it takes an extra 30 seconds to remove the wheel, and bolt-ons save something like 1W.

If racing (of any kind) becomes totally safe, it will become boring at the same time. Because going as fast as you possibly can carries inherent risk.
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The lever of the TA could be redesigned to not pop open during a crash.
Now there's a novel idea.
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There's always DT Swiss' take on it.

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will you guys stop with the graphic photos in links! I'm a huge blood/gore wuss, and now i feel sick.
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Originally Posted by Rides4Beer View Post
Standard first aid practice for a puncture wound where the impaled object is still in place, is to leave it there until medical personnel arrive. If it has struck an artery, then yes, you can bleed out by removing it. While possibly overly cautious, he did the right thing.

Yeah, SOP, & the line about bleeding out reflects the riders concern, even if that risk looks low, from an arm-chair perspective.

I got a huge splinter through my finger once, & went to a clinic to have it removed, but later thought I should have just taken some pliers & pulled it out.
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Chuck Norris would have gotten up, gotten a new bike and finished the race with the wheel and fork still sticking out of his leg. And won. Just sayin'.
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This is why I use only Dura Ace internal cam conventional quick-release skewers on my Ben Hur hubs.
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Perhaps such a safety device could be integrated into the design of the "skewers"...to prevent this kind of tragedy from ever happening again.
Yes, think of how many could be saved from such tragedy! This could literally happen...what are the chances...at least once more!


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Yes, think of how many could be saved from such tragedy! This could literally happen...what are the chances...at least once more!


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Like what happened in the Assman episode of Seinfeld?? A million to one shot, doc!

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here is not as good a link:

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So, other than being on the other side of the bike, what is the effective difference between a through axle lever and a QR lever? How is one more inherently dangerous?
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Trying to understand how a thru-axle lever differs from a conventional quick release lever in terms of the potential for injury.

(edit - haha beat me to it ^^^ )
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