Stepping up in Rideability from Conti 4000
Using the Conti 4000s ii as a comparative base, what would you change to if you were looking for
1) Improved road chatter from chip-seal type pavement 2) Can't go over 25mm (where even that is really tight) 3) 160 pound rider 4) Clinchers Thanks. dave ps. Note that 'same as or better' puncture resistance is not on the list |
4000 GP's aired down to 80/90? I used to ride the Vittoria Rubino Pro's until I got tired of replacing them. They wear quickly and aren't the most protective (you don't care and I never had much of an issue), but they ride great and are about as cheap as a decent tire comes.
I do have to ask though - if you're riding on chipseal and only can fit 25's...are you on the right bike for your road conditions? You'd feel better on 28 Fintstones than on 23 Conti's. |
Regarding the question
I do have to ask though - if you're riding on chipseal and only can fit 25's...are you on the right bike for your road conditions? You'd feel better on 28 Fintstones than on 23 Conti's. Part of the reason for asking this question is to trade off the fact that there is a 'bike solution' to this problem. I just want to know how far I can go with what I've got before making that decision. FWIW, maybe 20% of my riding is chipseal (would probably be a bit more if it were more comfortable). Thanks. dave |
I don't think there is any 25-mm tire which is going to offer sufficient volume (not suppleness) to make chip-seal comfortable. Maybe if you go Really low in pressure and tubeless .....
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What pressure are you running, and what is the actual inflated width of your 25s?
For reference, I weigh around 204#, I have 25mm 4000s on HED Belgium rims (23mm external), inflated width of tires is 28mm. I run upper 90s rear and low to mid 80s front. I don't ride a lot of chipseal, but this combo isn't terrible for me when I do. At 160# you could go lower pressure than me. |
I run pressures in the low 90's and have tried pressures as low as 80 (all in 23mm which is what I usually ride). 80 s a bit better although it isn't night and day. And FWIW, for a couple years until late last year I was riding 25mm Gatorskins (which all of a sudden would no longer fit inside my fork).
While everything in this thread is interesting and useful, the real question in my mind is "is there something better than what I am riding now that would work on my existing bike WRT chipseal". An answer to that specific question is actually useful to me whether or not the resulting ride is 'comfortable' on chipseal. Since chipseal is only a small'ish portion of my riding it is a trade-off and there is a bigger trade-off (possible bike change) where this answer is useful (even if it is negative). So before I head off into new bike land (a place that I am not anxious to go) I would like to know how much of this problem I can (or cannot) solve on my existing bike. Thanks. dave ps. The actual width on my 23mm 4000s ii's is 25.5mm. |
Originally Posted by DaveLeeNC
(Post 20973635)
I run pressures in the low 90's and have tried pressures as low as 80 (all in 23mm which is what I usually ride). 80 s a bit better although it isn't night and day. And FWIW, for a couple years until late last year I was riding 25mm Gatorskins (which all of a sudden would no longer fit inside my fork).
While everything in this thread is interesting and useful, the real question in my mind is "is there something better than what I am riding now that would work on my existing bike WRT chipseal". An answer to that specific question is actually useful to me whether or not the resulting ride is 'comfortable' on chipseal. Since chipseal is only a small'ish portion of my riding it is a trade-off and there is a bigger trade-off (possible bike change) where this answer is useful (even if it is negative). So before I head off into new bike land (a place that I am not anxious to go) I would like to know how much of this problem I can (or cannot) solve on my existing bike. Thanks. dave ps. The actual width on my 23mm 4000s ii's is 25.5mm. Though personally, I would play around with tire pressure a bit more. I'd try going another 10 lbs lower and see if it's better. I doubt that would be underinflated at 160 lbs. |
Abe, on your tire pressure suggestion... Was it 10 pounds lower than what I typically ride (low 90's) or 10 pounds less than what I have tried (which is 80)?
Thanks for the tire suggestions. dave |
I cannot find a better tire than Conti 4000ii's. I still run them 23 and they are plenty wide enough a true 23 if not a bit bigger. I weigh 170 run about 100 psi in rear and 94is on front. These tires go for me 6000 miles. I ride on chipseal but still pretty good roads. I cannot take them on any gravel but they grip well and so far no flat issues. I just cannot think of a better tire unless you are willing to change them out every 2-3000 miles. The gain in somehow getting a better rolling resistance or ride is just not that much different. The conti's last for sure way longer than any other tire I have used.
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some might say Compass tires are the best
due to supple casings.
https://www.renehersecycles.com/shop...6-cayuse-pass/ i personally really like Conti 4000ii. I'm 190 and run 80 front 70 rear no pinch flats ever. I run 28mm tires on A23 rims. Tires measure out to 30mm on those rims. now that I have my 2019 Specialized Roubaix dialed in I do believe it is a great chip seal killer...Future Shock combined with CGR seatpost. |
Can you fit the new gp5000 25? They are more true to size and a bit thinner and more supple all around. Also are you already using latex tubes? You should be
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Originally Posted by redlude97
(Post 20974809)
Can you fit the new gp5000 25? They are more true to size and a bit thinner and more supple all around. Also are you already using latex tubes? You should be
First I have run latex tubes but never on my 'daily wheels'. Is latex REALLY more flat prone (in the long run) than butyl? They most certainly are more fragile but it seems to me that anything that would puncture a latex tube is ultimately a problem for butyl as well (somewhere down the road). Probably no crisp answers here, but thought I would ask. I have lots of room in the rear and could easily run 28's on the back. How much of the vibration feel that is driven by tire size/pressure comes from the rear? Thanks. dave |
Originally Posted by DaveLeeNC
(Post 20974943)
This is interesting. First of all just 2 days ago I needed to replace my rear tire and used a 5000. Low and behold it is roughly 0.5mm smaller than the 4000 on the front (both 23's measuring closer to 25mm). And this leads to a couple of additional questions.
First I have run latex tubes but never on my 'daily wheels'. Is latex REALLY more flat prone (in the long run) than butyl? They most certainly are more fragile but it seems to me that anything that would puncture a latex tube is ultimately a problem for butyl as well (somewhere down the road). Probably no crisp answers here, but thought I would ask. I have lots of room in the rear and could easily run 28's on the back. How much of the vibration feel that is driven by tire size/pressure comes from the rear? Thanks. dave dave |
Originally Posted by DaveLeeNC
(Post 20973635)
ps. The actual width on my 23mm 4000s ii's is 25.5mm.
Honestly, I think you're chasing vapor. I'd keep airing down until you've taken that as far as you can. |
FWIW, this thread is the "flip side" of this one (that I also started). dave
https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycl...ane-thing.html |
Hope you plan to keep that Bianchi in your stable
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https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...816b283112.jpg
Yes - the Bianchi stays no matter what I do regarding another (if any) bike. This is it (before I made a handlebar change and with my 'race wheels'). Latex tubes, BTW :-) dave |
Schwalbe One.
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Originally Posted by DaveLeeNC
(Post 20974943)
This is interesting. First of all just 2 days ago I needed to replace my rear tire and used a 5000. Low and behold it is roughly 0.5mm smaller than the 4000 on the front (both 23's measuring closer to 25mm). And this leads to a couple of additional questions.
Originally Posted by DaveLeeNC
(Post 20974943)
First I have run latex tubes but never on my 'daily wheels'. Is latex REALLY more flat prone (in the long run) than butyl? They most certainly are more fragile but it seems to me that anything that would puncture a latex tube is ultimately a problem for butyl as well (somewhere down the road). Probably no crisp answers here, but thought I would ask.
Originally Posted by DaveLeeNC
(Post 20974943)
I have lots of room in the rear and could easily run 28's on the back. How much of the vibration feel that is driven by tire size/pressure comes from the rear?
Thanks. dave |
Have you tried the Vittoria Corsa G+ tires? (Now there's a G 2.0 I haven't tried yet.) I've moved to the 28c G+ on my good bikes that will fit them. Haven't ridden the 25c yet simply because I have so many older Corsa and Open Paves that size I need to wear out first.
Those tires are very comfortable tires. Expensive, yes. I doubt they last like the Continentals and probably flat more often. I don't ride Continentals simply because they have a ride I don't like (and the ones I've ridden had grip I didn't trust). Ben |
I ride Corsa G+ tires on my CAAD (size c28) and the ride is quite nice and significantly better than the stock tires from Cannondale. I run at 80psi.
Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 20975458)
Have you tried the Vittoria Corsa G+ tires? (Now there's a G 2.0 I haven't tried yet.) I've moved to the 28c G+ on my good bikes that will fit them. Haven't ridden the 25c yet simply because I have so many older Corsa and Open Paves that size I need to wear out first.
Those tires are very comfortable tires. Expensive, yes. I doubt they last like the Continentals and probably flat more often. I don't ride Continentals simply because they have a ride I don't like (and the ones I've ridden had grip I didn't trust). Ben |
I noticed a big different between my old GP4000s and the Vittoria Corsa G+ (the original, not the new 2.0 ones) that I went to afterwards. They're not as durable but they ride so much better to me.
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I've ridden them about 1,500 mi and had no flats. Just completed a Century on my aluminum CAAD12 with these tires and had no issues with fatigue from vibration. Only minor dislike is that the cotton sidewalls look really dirty and disgusting.
Originally Posted by Peter2290
(Post 20975484)
I noticed a big different between my old GP4000s and the Vittoria Corsa G+ (the original, not the new 2.0 ones) that I went to afterwards. They're not as durable but they ride so much better to me.
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Originally Posted by ridethetown
(Post 20975005)
SNIP Honestly, I think you're chasing vapor. I'd keep airing down until you've taken that as far as you can. And quite frankly there is nothing here that demands that anything be changed (other than maybe getting off those Gatorskins which I have already done). dave |
Originally Posted by DaveLeeNC
(Post 20973825)
Abe, on your tire pressure suggestion... Was it 10 pounds lower than what I typically ride (low 90's) or 10 pounds less than what I have tried (which is 80)?
Thanks for the tire suggestions. dave Also, I think you asked earlier about front/back vibration. Most comes from the back IMO. With a size up on tire, for sure you could get away with 70 psi. Maybe less. |
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