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Old 06-22-19, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
Before this becomes an how-elite-we-are thread the context is in the OP.
Say you see someone on an upright bike pedaling with their heals.

Then they say they are training for...a whatever next step that you have knowledge about.

Does that change a thing?

So you say, "you might want to try your forefoot".
Or you say "that's nice".
As they pedal by you.
Or you mind your own business and ride your own ride.

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Old 06-22-19, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
1) Anyone who passes me can only be "doing it so wrong" for a fact after all, well done.
Or they could be on electric bikes.
But no, I'm old and fat. Some do it wrong, and some don't. Most that pass me are doing it right, or they wouldn't pass me.

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B) I'd not put universal full faith and confidence in selecting slow riders for knowing fitting and coaching techniques for going fast, seems like a fundamentally flawed theory to me.
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Huh? Most coaches are fat and slow. In about every sport.
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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
Or you mind your own business and ride your own ride.

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Which I made it clear in my OP, I did.

Rider is slower for it.
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Old 06-22-19, 07:14 PM
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No good will come of it. Bite your tongue. For strangers.

It’s different for friends of course.
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OP: Congratulations. This is among the most muddled and pointless BF threads ever, and that took some doing.

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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
OP: Congratulations. This is among the most muddled and pointless BF threads ever, and that took some doing.

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No advice on how to do it better?

Good by me- we need some relief from the "which bike/wheels should I buy" fare.
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Old 06-22-19, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
OP: Congratulations. This is among the most muddled and pointless BF threads ever, and that took some doing.

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Thank you. 10 posts/hour is something. It was not a troll thread, but as pointless others seemed to get it, while you didn't.
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But my fork is supposed to be that way. The expert assembler at Walmart said so.

Yes, my saddle is supposed to be slammed. I heard slammed was better. Besides all the guys at the shelter ride their BMX bikes that way.

I'm already fast. I'd have the KOM on this segment if you added up all the 30 second sprint efforts I put in before getting gassed out and walking.
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
Does anyone feel it is appropriate to give unsolicited coaching to a complete stranger that looks like they need it?

When the faster (looking like training for a big event) folks pass you and really are not doing it right, and I think - if they'd listen, they could pick up a lot of speed.
I keep my mouth shut. So much talent and ability wasted on poor setup, position, technique.

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If you have to ask that question it means you've been influenced by some wacky philosophy. I get useful advice from people (people I see but don't personally know) everyday, and I return the favor whenever I can.

If you don't share knowledge, particularly your wisdom as you get older, then what good are you? If they tell me something I already know, I just say so.
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Old 06-23-19, 03:29 AM
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On semi-rural paved trail, I saw an oncoming rider on a flat bar road bike (strobe light flashing) pedaling with his knees splayed extremely wide.
His yelled advice to me was "Get a helmet",
to which I replied "Suck your knees in".

Not sure either of us will benefit the unsolicited advice.

Stuff happens, doesn't mean you have to react. Unless it feels good to do so. Suck your knees in!!!
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Old 06-23-19, 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Bandera View Post
Having never been so presumptions as to give unsolicited coaching advice to complete strangers who looks like they need it, but are those folks who pass you, but really are not doing it right, what is the proper etiquette for conveying one's Superior knowledge of cycling-rightness? Is this the proper scenario?

Having already been passed how does one convey unsolicited coaching advice while wheezing up after a desperate all-out chase to the complete stranger while laden with lactic acid and desperately short of O2? "Wheeze/Urp wait a second!" does not really set the stage for a plausible and masterful critique of the unknown passer's "not-rightness".

After a reasonable if lengthy recovery does one then get right to the issue at hand and remark:
"I see that you passed me back there, but without rightness in various forms involving a distinct lack of speed, technique and may I say both 'elan and style.
These can all be rectified by following my extensive and detailed diatribe on your many faults, and my solutions to each and every one of them."

"Hey, where did they Go?"

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Are you implying that someone can only be given advice or coached by someone else better than them?
I guess every recent TDF winner asked their coach not to ride in the race so they wouldn’t get shown up?
Tiger Woods swing coaches declined to win majors because they preferred the anonymity of just coaching?
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
Does anyone feel it is appropriate to give unsolicited coaching to a complete stranger that looks like they need it?

When the faster (looking like training for a big event) folks pass you and really are not doing it right, and I think - if they'd listen, they could pick up a lot of speed.
I keep my mouth shut. So much talent and ability wasted on poor setup, position, technique.

PM me if you want my assessment
I offer unsolicited advice to people every single day, while driving, at work, at the grocery store. Just about in any setting. It's quite the ice breaker in any situation.
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I offer unsolicited advice to people every single day, while driving, at work, at the grocery store. Just about in any setting. It's quite the ice breaker in any situation.
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
Does anyone feel it is appropriate to give unsolicited coaching to a complete stranger that looks like they need it?

When the faster (looking like training for a big event) folks pass you and really are not doing it right, and I think - if they'd listen, they could pick up a lot of speed.
I keep my mouth shut. So much talent and ability wasted on poor setup, position, technique.

PM me if you want my assessment
They're faster than you.
They passed you.
They're better than you or you're doing it wrong.

No ... of course they don't want your advice!
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I offer unsolicited advice to people every single day, while driving, at work, at the grocery store. Just about in any setting. It's quite the ice breaker in any situation.
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I dont think its necessarily bad. But you could go a lifetime without having a situation that calls for it come up.

Somebody that is fast likely has a reason for a goofy position. Somebody that is slow/on a rusty bike/squeaky chain/saddle 2 feet too low doesnt care.

Theres really juat 2 situations that i always want to intervene. Goofballs riding on buay streets with no hands while playing on their phone. I just want to slap them. And people riding 25mm tires with what clearly from a distance looks to be like 8 psi.
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One of the guys in my cycling group (not a friend, but not a random stranger) gave me some unsolicited advice on my 'pedal stroke' a few weeks ago.
I appreciated it.
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Originally Posted by GlennR View Post
Only for 2 things.

Also when someone is clearly in the wrong gear when climbing. Many recreational riders don't understand how to use gears and are either in the large chainring and/or a small cog when going up hill. A few times after talking to riders we went back to the bottom and there were amazed how much easier it was when in the right gear.
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I can imagine my own response if the advice included going back to the bottom of the hill and trying it again
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
I can imagine my own response if the advice included going back to the bottom of the hill and trying it again
These were short hills.. very short, like 100 yards.

I wouldn't suggest if it was a 3km climb.
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Originally Posted by KraneXL View Post
If you have to ask that question it means you've been influenced by some wacky philosophy. I get useful advice from people (people I see but don't personally know) everyday, and I return the favor whenever I can.

If you don't share knowledge, particularly your wisdom as you get older, then what good are you? If they tell me something I already know, I just say so.
I do share knowledge - to those that ask. But seems you are on the other side of most the posts here that advice should be given and the receiver can just ignore it or not. Makes scene to me, but seems a bit uncomfortable.
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Originally Posted by Abe_Froman View Post
I dont think its necessarily bad. But you could go a lifetime without having a situation that calls for it come up.

Somebody that is fast likely has a reason for a goofy position. Somebody that is slow/on a rusty bike/squeaky chain/saddle 2 feet too low doesnt care.

Theres really juat 2 situations that i always want to intervene. Goofballs riding on buay streets with no hands while playing on their phone. I just want to slap them. And people riding 25mm tires with what clearly from a distance looks to be like 8 psi.
OK yes, when someone told me that something was loose on my rack, or something falling out of a pocket, I appreciate that. I warned someone that he had a stick in his DR; even that wasn't appreciated, but you've got to try.

I'd probably ask the rider if he needed a patch, rather than "hey your tire is flat". They probably know, but the last time I did that he just wanted to "try some air" - and I did give him the advice that there is a hole in his tube and it will go flat again quickly, but even that was disregarded.
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Originally Posted by Machka View Post
They're faster than you.
They passed you.
They're better than you or you're doing it wrong.

No ... of course they don't want your advice!
Story (consider we ride on a main SoCal cycling artery - so name dropping is a matter of just hanging out):

My then 10 year old who was very fast is riding in a group ride Sat. A very well known multi time USA champ says he should lower his seat. Unsolicited. I had already explained who this person was to my son. The seat was lowered.
Next week a Shimano VP, USA hall of famer is going for a ride with him and says first we need to get your bike right - and raises the seat.

Both were clear mentor material, experts talking to a 10 year old who acknowledged their expertise.
My concern was in encouraging my kid to listen to experts he learned a hard lesson early that he might have to decide himself, or choose the right expert. A week or so later we go to a fit guy (https://www.facebook.com/CyberCycleCoach/ ) who was "old" and not one who would be faster than a 10 year old and sorted it all out.

As a 20 year old my son will still be told by older riders how to ride. He purposefully has an unconventional style. Being younger he is used to it.
But in general he doesn't like it and I don't like it, so I don't want to say anything.
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I think most people, roadies included, like being helpful, sharing what they think might be useful to someone. But offering unsolicited advice to someone who is already pretty darned capable and has already invested a good bit of effort in the sport is likely a losing proposition.

Suggesting in a friendly way (not yelling as you ride by) to a complete newbie on the MUP that their saddle is 3" too low -- maybe that has a better chance of being received positively? Nah, probably not...
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Oh yeah- to passing ninjas: Get a light!

I've also given feedback on the relative effectiveness of rear blinkies, especially those that are so dim as to be worthless. (bite my tongue at the blinding ones in front of me on group rides)

And since I once discovered that my not-so-newly acquired bike had the brake shoes in backwards

I scan for that & have pointed out a couple.
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Yup

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Do people really do this?
Sad to say, worse to see, but I've seen this twice in the last month. It just looks....idiotic.
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