Roadies, not on board with assist - prepare to be C&V'd
07-26-19, 10:25 AM
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+1 BINGO. Ego-buster. "Un-earned speed"
Anyone who might want to part with your vintage Campy Record 10spd group....?
I still ride that obsoleted technology. And love it!
I've got enough downtube friction for a while.
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07-26-19, 10:44 AM
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Not the demise of unassisted bikes, just C&V'd. That info doesn't give me a rise, why the 41?
Facts are sometimes hard to face. Especially when one is vested in pride of equipment and training ….emotionally vested.
Market growth and profit margins drive the changing product mix...like in the past, but now with electric assist.
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07-26-19, 11:01 AM
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It doesn't (mostly). I said that it was designed to get a rise. Trolling, IOW. I don't think that it's any coincidence that you've had very little presence in the 41 prior to this attempt to kick a hornets nest (and pulling a Charlie Brown). A brief look at your posting history suggests that your visits to the 41 are mostly attempts to poo-poo what you perceive to be the roadie ethos.
07-26-19, 11:05 AM
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Last I noticed bike companies were still coming out with new high end road bikes and components, such as through axle disc brake road bikes, new carbon fiber wheels, 12 speed groups, etc.
Apparently it’s possible to build both bikes and conventional road bikes
Apparently it’s possible to build both bikes and conventional road bikes
07-26-19, 12:41 PM
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I’m a 35 year roadie, not opposed to ‘roadie ethos’, whatever that is? 
I post in many forums quite often - Intros, General, Fitting, etc.
Most posts are Where did you Ride? I post a lot of pics, of road bikes, including brifter bikes in CF, Ti, steel.
i didn’t make this thread personal, why should anyone else?
Tired of a debate - tune out the topic, don’t smear a legitimate post.
Or maybe the debate ain’t goin your way.....
I post in many forums quite often - Intros, General, Fitting, etc.
Most posts are Where did you Ride? I post a lot of pics, of road bikes, including brifter bikes in CF, Ti, steel.
i didn’t make this thread personal, why should anyone else?
Tired of a debate - tune out the topic, don’t smear a legitimate post.
Or maybe the debate ain’t goin your way.....
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07-26-19, 12:57 PM
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I am looking at it from a cyclist's perspective. The thesis of this thread is that ebikes will relegate conventional road bikes to classic relics. I find that premise absurd. If the hills are too big, get lower gears and go slower.
If an ebike gets a sedentary person off the coach, that's fine for them. But that has very little relevance to road cycling by any conventional definition.
If the beach cruiser crowd, and a few road cyclists with physical limitations adopt ebikes, it certainly is not the death of pedal powered bikes.
If an ebike gets a sedentary person off the coach, that's fine for them. But that has very little relevance to road cycling by any conventional definition.
If the beach cruiser crowd, and a few road cyclists with physical limitations adopt ebikes, it certainly is not the death of pedal powered bikes.
07-26-19, 12:58 PM
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07-26-19, 01:58 PM
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I never used the word “relic”,
maybe that’s someone’s word but never mine.
I posit: What is a relic ? -
70s, 80s bikes will keep a person in most any group ride. No 11 cog on my freewheels.
Not a relic to me. Vintage technology.
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How fast do YOU see a change-over to when e-bikes outnumber conventional adult bikes in sales and/or developmental funds.
Thank goodness ProCycling will stay an Olympic sport, not become an e-sport.
maybe that’s someone’s word but never mine.
I posit: What is a relic ? -
70s, 80s bikes will keep a person in most any group ride. No 11 cog on my freewheels.
Not a relic to me. Vintage technology.
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How fast do YOU see a change-over to when e-bikes outnumber conventional adult bikes in sales and/or developmental funds.
Thank goodness ProCycling will stay an Olympic sport, not become an e-sport.
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07-26-19, 03:14 PM
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Yep. In 30 years there will be running shoes with tiny motorized wheels. Walking shoes will have tiny horizontal escalators fixed to their bottoms. Swimmers will have electric turbos in their trunks. Weight lifters will have motors that produce strong down drafts in their barbells. Crew teams will have pendulum-like motors in their oarlocks.
Welcome to the Brave New World of assist-fitness. Those who are quaint enough to rely solely on human powered exercise will be seen as vintage, as pre-flivver.
Welcome to the Brave New World of assist-fitness. Those who are quaint enough to rely solely on human powered exercise will be seen as vintage, as pre-flivver.
07-26-19, 08:16 PM
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I'd like to hike the 3 Fingers trail one of these days. It's 15 miles and something like 5k of vert. But the road is washed out 8 miles from the beginning of the trail. 31 miles is a lot to hike, and road walks are no fun. As a cyclist, I'd love to have an ebike for stuff like this. And I don't think that means I'm giving up.
You don’t see a problem with motorized access to places like that?
also I don’t understand why you can’t ride a pedal powere gravel bike for that?
07-26-19, 10:44 PM
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Think of every bike accident you've had, add 10mph to the impact speed and 30lb to your weight. It doesn't look good for the future.
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I think you need to ride a bit more than Florida. Practice on Freeway overpasses.
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07-27-19, 05:49 AM
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A wise person once said, "A man's got to know his limitations." I'm ok knowing for myself that there's some routes and distances and challenges I can't do. This thread seems to pointing out there are likewise other folks who, when they're not ok with this situation, will go motorized.
07-27-19, 06:39 AM
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A wise person once said, "A man's got to know his limitations." I'm ok knowing for myself that there's some routes and distances and challenges I can't do. This thread seems to pointing out there are likewise other folks who, when they're not ok with this situation, will go motorized.
If one needs a motor fine; to each his/her own.
Some of us will defer to chasing the dream and hopefully living it.
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07-28-19, 10:23 AM
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I grew up racing in West Virginia. I have a second home in Western North Carolina, where I ride regularly. I've done a number of endurance gravel races including Dirty Kanza. I've raced in California, and Colorado ( including winning a stage of Everest Challenge with 13,000 feet of climbing).
I've also ridden in Italy, Spain and France,including many of the TDF HC climbs in the Pyranees, and the Alps. So your assumption that my perspective is limited to riding in Florida is wrong.
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A wise person once said, "A man's got to know his limitations." I'm ok knowing for myself that there's some routes and distances and challenges I can't do. This thread seems to pointing out there are likewise other folks who, when they're not ok with this situation, will go motorized.
07-29-19, 01:35 PM
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What happens to bike racing? Who cares to watch, when Dad, Grandma and the 12-year-old all 'cycle' faster than the pros?
Basically, the era of the bicycle is ending. We're the last generation to use human powered vehicles.
07-29-19, 01:37 PM
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I had my piss and moan in the other forum topic already.
I'm down with some more! Bring on the hate.
Just like the sellers of hoverboards and electric scooters, they're responding to the demand after having an idea. Can't fault people in that. That's just smart and good business.
It's just in how society utilizes the toys and tools. They can be both. Both separately or both tool and toy in one. An amazing opportunity.
It can be a wonderful tool to a commuter, to lower vehicle emissions and reduce traffic, to keep medically vulnerable parts of the population physically active and participatory in social circles.
It can be a useful toy. Take that bike tour in the mountains you've wanted to. Allow a friend to keep up on a weekend ride with you to extend a riding friendship some more years.
It can also be an annoying and degenerative toy. It can be used like a motorcycle to race around MUP's over the speed limit while offering zero physical health benefit to the user. It can turn an active exercise group into a "me too" sightseeing tour offering little physical stress.
People going 8mph on a pedal bike on an MUP are already only expending perhaps 100 calories an hour for exercise. Hardly more than sitting still. Outside of a serious physio/heart patient, walking would be more conducive to health already. Then add an e-bike to that and it's nearly zero benefit.
So, a beneficial tool to a heart of physio patient........and a degenerative toy to an otherwise fully able-bodied individual.
An e-bike isn't so you can maintain your place in the faster group exercise rides, it's so you can show up to something or anything at all. Bless groups willing to mix e-bikes for social rides. That's a nice thing to do for a Sunday coffee shop ride. But not all group rides are coffee shop strolls. Some group rides are exercise based.
I don't think it'd be a good use of an e-bike for me to use it to show up to the local weeknight pro/1/2 group ride just because I've always wanted to meet some pros or because a friend of mine can ride in that group but I can't. It would be a good use of it if my friend has a training ride he's doing and I can join along and perhaps even enhance their training.
My opinions are harsh, but they're my own. I just want people to judiciously utilize the devices appropriately as tools and toys.
I'm down with some more! Bring on the hate.
Just like the sellers of hoverboards and electric scooters, they're responding to the demand after having an idea. Can't fault people in that. That's just smart and good business.
It's just in how society utilizes the toys and tools. They can be both. Both separately or both tool and toy in one. An amazing opportunity.
It can be a wonderful tool to a commuter, to lower vehicle emissions and reduce traffic, to keep medically vulnerable parts of the population physically active and participatory in social circles.
It can be a useful toy. Take that bike tour in the mountains you've wanted to. Allow a friend to keep up on a weekend ride with you to extend a riding friendship some more years.
It can also be an annoying and degenerative toy. It can be used like a motorcycle to race around MUP's over the speed limit while offering zero physical health benefit to the user. It can turn an active exercise group into a "me too" sightseeing tour offering little physical stress.
People going 8mph on a pedal bike on an MUP are already only expending perhaps 100 calories an hour for exercise. Hardly more than sitting still. Outside of a serious physio/heart patient, walking would be more conducive to health already. Then add an e-bike to that and it's nearly zero benefit.
So, a beneficial tool to a heart of physio patient........and a degenerative toy to an otherwise fully able-bodied individual.
An e-bike isn't so you can maintain your place in the faster group exercise rides, it's so you can show up to something or anything at all. Bless groups willing to mix e-bikes for social rides. That's a nice thing to do for a Sunday coffee shop ride. But not all group rides are coffee shop strolls. Some group rides are exercise based.
I don't think it'd be a good use of an e-bike for me to use it to show up to the local weeknight pro/1/2 group ride just because I've always wanted to meet some pros or because a friend of mine can ride in that group but I can't. It would be a good use of it if my friend has a training ride he's doing and I can join along and perhaps even enhance their training.
My opinions are harsh, but they're my own. I just want people to judiciously utilize the devices appropriately as tools and toys.
07-29-19, 02:12 PM
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And this will happen faster than anyone realizes.
What happens to bike racing? Who cares to watch, when Dad, Grandma and the 12-year-old all 'cycle' faster than the pros?
Basically, the era of the bicycle is ending. We're the last generation to use human powered vehicles.
What happens to bike racing? Who cares to watch, when Dad, Grandma and the 12-year-old all 'cycle' faster than the pros?
Basically, the era of the bicycle is ending. We're the last generation to use human powered vehicles.
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I have an e-cargo bike from them that weighs 90lbs the I use to haul my 70 lbs son and occasional other cargo, and I can tell you the throttle is awfully nice to have to get the bike off the line at intersections. Going "throttle only" would drain the battery incredibly fast, though.
