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Roadies, not on board with assist - prepare to be C&V'd

Old 07-26-19, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gregf83 View Post
What exactly is your problem with someone who rides an e-bike?
I suspect many who have a problem with e-bikes just don't like anyone faster than them regardless of whether they're assisted or not.

+1 BINGO. Ego-buster. "Un-earned speed"


Anyone who might want to part with your vintage Campy Record 10spd group....?
I still ride that obsoleted technology. And love it!
I've got enough downtube friction for a while.
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Old 07-26-19, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
As has been established, the premise of the OP is a silly thing designed to get a rise out of the 41.
The premise of the OP is that the road bike industry's major development $$$ have shifted away from high-end unassisted bicycles.
Not the demise of unassisted bikes, just C&V'd. That info doesn't give me a rise, why the 41?
Facts are sometimes hard to face. Especially when one is vested in pride of equipment and training ….emotionally vested.
Market growth and profit margins drive the changing product mix...like in the past, but now with electric assist.
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
That info doesn't give me a rise, why the 41?
It doesn't (mostly). I said that it was designed to get a rise. Trolling, IOW. I don't think that it's any coincidence that you've had very little presence in the 41 prior to this attempt to kick a hornets nest (and pulling a Charlie Brown). A brief look at your posting history suggests that your visits to the 41 are mostly attempts to poo-poo what you perceive to be the roadie ethos.
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Last I noticed bike companies were still coming out with new high end road bikes and components, such as through axle disc brake road bikes, new carbon fiber wheels, 12 speed groups, etc.

Apparently itís possible to build both bikes and conventional road bikes
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Old 07-26-19, 12:41 PM
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I’m a 35 year roadie, not opposed to ‘roadie ethos’, whatever that is?
I post in many forums quite often - Intros, General, Fitting, etc.
Most posts are Where did you Ride? I post a lot of pics, of road bikes, including brifter bikes in CF, Ti, steel.

i didn’t make this thread personal, why should anyone else?
Tired of a debate - tune out the topic, don’t smear a legitimate post.
Or maybe the debate ain’t goin your way.....

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Old 07-26-19, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
I am looking at it from a cyclist's perspective. The thesis of this thread is that ebikes will relegate conventional road bikes to classic relics. I find that premise absurd. If the hills are too big, get lower gears and go slower.

If an ebike gets a sedentary person off the coach, that's fine for them. But that has very little relevance to road cycling by any conventional definition.

If the beach cruiser crowd, and a few road cyclists with physical limitations adopt ebikes, it certainly is not the death of pedal powered bikes.
I'd like to hike the 3 Fingers trail one of these days. It's 15 miles and something like 5k of vert. But the road is washed out 8 miles from the beginning of the trail. 31 miles is a lot to hike, and road walks are no fun. As a cyclist, I'd love to have an ebike for stuff like this. And I don't think that means I'm giving up.
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Old 07-26-19, 12:58 PM
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Wait.

Is C&V'd a compliment or an insult? Good or bad?

I am confused.
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I never used the word “relic”,

maybe that’s someone’s word but never mine.

I posit: What is a relic ? -
70s, 80s bikes will keep a person in most any group ride. No 11 cog on my freewheels.

Not a relic to me. Vintage technology.

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How fast do YOU see a change-over to when e-bikes outnumber conventional adult bikes in sales and/or developmental funds.
Thank goodness ProCycling will stay an Olympic sport, not become an e-sport.
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On the electric bike forums, we call the unpowered contemporary bikes as "acoustic bikes"
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Originally Posted by Wildwood View Post
Tired of a debate - tune out the topic, donít smear a legitimate post.
Or maybe the debate ainít goin your way.....
Your premise was never much of a debate, but thank you for providing a thread where practical concerns could be discussed.
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Old 07-26-19, 03:14 PM
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Yep. In 30 years there will be running shoes with tiny motorized wheels. Walking shoes will have tiny horizontal escalators fixed to their bottoms. Swimmers will have electric turbos in their trunks. Weight lifters will have motors that produce strong down drafts in their barbells. Crew teams will have pendulum-like motors in their oarlocks.

Welcome to the Brave New World of assist-fitness. Those who are quaint enough to rely solely on human powered exercise will be seen as vintage, as pre-flivver.
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Old 07-26-19, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
I'd like to hike the 3 Fingers trail one of these days. It's 15 miles and something like 5k of vert. But the road is washed out 8 miles from the beginning of the trail. 31 miles is a lot to hike, and road walks are no fun. As a cyclist, I'd love to have an ebike for stuff like this. And I don't think that means I'm giving up.

You donít see a problem with motorized access to places like that?

also I donít understand why you canít ride a pedal powere gravel bike for that?
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Think of every bike accident you've had, add 10mph to the impact speed and 30lb to your weight. It doesn't look good for the future.
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OMG.. doomsday is right around the corner.... ebikes!
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Old 07-27-19, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
You don’t see a problem with motorized access to places like that?

also I don’t understand why you can’t ride a pedal powere gravel bike for that?

I think you need to ride a bit more than Florida. Practice on Freeway overpasses.

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Old 07-27-19, 05:49 AM
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A wise person once said, "A man's got to know his limitations." I'm ok knowing for myself that there's some routes and distances and challenges I can't do. This thread seems to pointing out there are likewise other folks who, when they're not ok with this situation, will go motorized.
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Old 07-27-19, 06:39 AM
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A wise person once said, "A man's got to know his limitations." I'm ok knowing for myself that there's some routes and distances and challenges I can't do. This thread seems to pointing out there are likewise other folks who, when they're not ok with this situation, will go motorized.
Aren't most of our limitations when it comes to cycling mental? Just speaking for myself, I am 55 y/o, 20 lbs overweight and not a finely conditioned athlete. There is a lot I can do to improve my fitness and reach some cycling goals I once thought were not possible.

If one needs a motor fine; to each his/her own.

Some of us will defer to chasing the dream and hopefully living it.
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Old 07-27-19, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
It is a cute commercial -

https://youtu.be/cDa1Ns9hvho
It interesting to see so far how two of the largest bike makers are presenting the intended usage.. Sure, meant to be a bit comedic, but still, coming off as a tool to annoy non-motorized cyclists while on the road.

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Originally Posted by trailangel View Post
I think you need to ride a bit more than Florida. Practice on Freeway overpasses.
your making incredibly unfounded assumptions about me.

I grew up racing in West Virginia. I have a second home in Western North Carolina, where I ride regularly. I've done a number of endurance gravel races including Dirty Kanza. I've raced in California, and Colorado ( including winning a stage of Everest Challenge with 13,000 feet of climbing).

I've also ridden in Italy, Spain and France,including many of the TDF HC climbs in the Pyranees, and the Alps. So your assumption that my perspective is limited to riding in Florida is wrong.
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
A wise person once said, "A man's got to know his limitations." I'm ok knowing for myself that there's some routes and distances and challenges I can't do. This thread seems to pointing out there are likewise other folks who, when they're not ok with this situation, will go motorized.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha View Post
Not to worry. The pedal drive system will become vestigial over time and eventually fall off, leaving a lightweight electric motorcycle.
And this will happen faster than anyone realizes.

What happens to bike racing? Who cares to watch, when Dad, Grandma and the 12-year-old all 'cycle' faster than the pros?


Basically, the era of the bicycle is ending. We're the last generation to use human powered vehicles.
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
I had my piss and moan in the other forum topic already.

I'm down with some more! Bring on the hate.

Just like the sellers of hoverboards and electric scooters, they're responding to the demand after having an idea. Can't fault people in that. That's just smart and good business.

It's just in how society utilizes the toys and tools. They can be both. Both separately or both tool and toy in one. An amazing opportunity.

It can be a wonderful tool to a commuter, to lower vehicle emissions and reduce traffic, to keep medically vulnerable parts of the population physically active and participatory in social circles.

It can be a useful toy. Take that bike tour in the mountains you've wanted to. Allow a friend to keep up on a weekend ride with you to extend a riding friendship some more years.

It can also be an annoying and degenerative toy. It can be used like a motorcycle to race around MUP's over the speed limit while offering zero physical health benefit to the user. It can turn an active exercise group into a "me too" sightseeing tour offering little physical stress.

People going 8mph on a pedal bike on an MUP are already only expending perhaps 100 calories an hour for exercise. Hardly more than sitting still. Outside of a serious physio/heart patient, walking would be more conducive to health already. Then add an e-bike to that and it's nearly zero benefit.

So, a beneficial tool to a heart of physio patient........and a degenerative toy to an otherwise fully able-bodied individual.

An e-bike isn't so you can maintain your place in the faster group exercise rides, it's so you can show up to something or anything at all. Bless groups willing to mix e-bikes for social rides. That's a nice thing to do for a Sunday coffee shop ride. But not all group rides are coffee shop strolls. Some group rides are exercise based.

I don't think it'd be a good use of an e-bike for me to use it to show up to the local weeknight pro/1/2 group ride just because I've always wanted to meet some pros or because a friend of mine can ride in that group but I can't. It would be a good use of it if my friend has a training ride he's doing and I can join along and perhaps even enhance their training.

My opinions are harsh, but they're my own. I just want people to judiciously utilize the devices appropriately as tools and toys.
I am 73, been riding a while. Had aortic valve replacement in Feb. (the open heart kind, not transfemoral). Back to about 8 to 10 miles a day, four days a week. Personally, I don't understand e-bikes. If wanted a motor, why not opt for 650 cc or better. I like pedaling, always have. But, I guess to each his own.
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Originally Posted by jimh12345 View Post
And this will happen faster than anyone realizes.

What happens to bike racing? Who cares to watch, when Dad, Grandma and the 12-year-old all 'cycle' faster than the pros?


Basically, the era of the bicycle is ending. We're the last generation to use human powered vehicles.
Time to board one of those boats leaving Middle Earth.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup View Post
There are 2 types of e-assist bikes. Some top out at 20mph, and some at 28mph.

Who is selling throttle operated e-bikes? I'm not saying they don't exist, but I haven't seen them.
Most of Pedego's electric bikes have them, but I'm not sure they sell a road-oriented e-bike.

I have an e-cargo bike from them that weighs 90lbs the I use to haul my 70 lbs son and occasional other cargo, and I can tell you the throttle is awfully nice to have to get the bike off the line at intersections. Going "throttle only" would drain the battery incredibly fast, though.
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